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Does the type of knot you tie effect your lures action?

I was wondering if fish can see bulky knots and if bulky knots effect a lures action?

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Joel IMO , Knots plays a hugh role in lure actions when talking mainly hard baits . Point in case , for years i use to just tye up all my top water & jerk baits with a standard palomar knots. It wasnt untill i talk to a few anglers and experimented myself on the water , only to realize that tying a "rapala loop knot" for all my top water and jerk baits adds maxium action to the lure . Yes it has increased my catch ratio and also increased more confidence in these baits . So my advise is to step outside the box whenever possible and let the fish mainly answer alot of your questions.

BBD (The Rookie) ....
Yes, knots can affect the action of your lure, but no, they don't do that with my lures. That is because for most lures (except frogs) I use a stainless steel snap instead of a direct knot. This gives you even better movement than a loop knot, and is much stronger particularly after use for several casts. They also make changing your lure much easier, and are easy to tie onto your line.

If you are using a lightweight balsa lure, be sure to use a small snap. With larger lures use larger snaps. No swivels...just a stainless steel snap like those made by Luhr Jensen or by Bentz.

ciao,
Marc
I agree with Marc, good quality snaps are the answer for hard baits. Norman has a speed clip that also works well. The only way I would differ from this is when ripping lipless baits thru grass such as the Lucky Craft LV 500. I much prefer to tie directly to the split ring mostly becasue the snap can at times grap a bit of weed.
That being said sometimes I run a knot directly to spook style baits such as the Reaction Innovation Vixen. This tames down the wide walking motion into a tighter walking motion which sometimes gets you more bites. The only other knot that I can think of that could make a difference in affecting you bait would be a snell knot on you dropshot. This gives you a more teter toter affect on your bait while shaking it.

Marc Marcantonio said:
Yes, knots can affect the action of your lure, but no, they don't do that with my lures. That is because for most lures (except frogs) I use a stainless steel snap instead of a direct knot. This gives you even better movement than a loop knot, and is much stronger particularly after use for several casts. They also make changing your lure much easier, and are easy to tie onto your line.

If you are using a lightweight balsa lure, be sure to use a small snap. With larger lures use larger snaps. No swivels...just a stainless steel snap like those made by Luhr Jensen or by Bentz.

ciao,
Marc
WOW, this great info .. I have always been told that those speed clips takes some of the action away from cranks and jerks .. But the pro's here are saying other wise .. with that been said im back on the lake to give it a go .. good info guys

Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:
I agree with Marc, good quality snaps are the answer for hard baits. Norman has a speed clip that also works well. The only way I would differ from this is when ripping lipless baits thru grass such as the Lucky Craft LV 500. I much prefer to tie directly to the split ring mostly becasue the snap can at times grap a bit of weed.
That being said sometimes I run a knot directly to spook style baits such as the Reaction Innovation Vixen. This tames down the wide walking motion into a tighter walking motion which sometimes gets you more bites. The only other knot that I can think of that could make a difference in affecting you bait would be a snell knot on you dropshot. This gives you a more teter toter affect on your bait while shaking it.

Marc Marcantonio said:
Yes, knots can affect the action of your lure, but no, they don't do that with my lures. That is because for most lures (except frogs) I use a stainless steel snap instead of a direct knot. This gives you even better movement than a loop knot, and is much stronger particularly after use for several casts. They also make changing your lure much easier, and are easy to tie onto your line.

If you are using a lightweight balsa lure, be sure to use a small snap. With larger lures use larger snaps. No swivels...just a stainless steel snap like those made by Luhr Jensen or by Bentz.

ciao,
Marc
BBD, be sure to get a quality snap like the Luhr Jensen snap. I prefer them over the Norman's Speed Clips because the Speed Clips have two wire loops that contact your lure eye, and that slightly reduces the action (although that could be a reason to use them if you want to subdue a lure's action). I have also seen where under the right circumstances a Speed Clip can get twisted open when a lure is wedged sideways in a bass's mouth and a lot of pressure is placed on the speed clip. Of course your results may vary, but I have had no issues with stainless wire snaps.

ciao,
Marc

BigBass Dez said:
WOW, this great info .. I have always been told that those speed clips takes some of the action away from cranks and jerks .. But the pro's here are saying other wise .. with that been said im back on the lake to give it a go .. good info guys

Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:
I agree with Marc, good quality snaps are the answer for hard baits. Norman has a speed clip that also works well. The only way I would differ from this is when ripping lipless baits thru grass such as the Lucky Craft LV 500. I much prefer to tie directly to the split ring mostly becasue the snap can at times grap a bit of weed.
That being said sometimes I run a knot directly to spook style baits such as the Reaction Innovation Vixen. This tames down the wide walking motion into a tighter walking motion which sometimes gets you more bites. The only other knot that I can think of that could make a difference in affecting you bait would be a snell knot on you dropshot. This gives you a more teter toter affect on your bait while shaking it.

Marc Marcantonio said:
Yes, knots can affect the action of your lure, but no, they don't do that with my lures. That is because for most lures (except frogs) I use a stainless steel snap instead of a direct knot. This gives you even better movement than a loop knot, and is much stronger particularly after use for several casts. They also make changing your lure much easier, and are easy to tie onto your line.

If you are using a lightweight balsa lure, be sure to use a small snap. With larger lures use larger snaps. No swivels...just a stainless steel snap like those made by Luhr Jensen or by Bentz.

ciao,
Marc
thanks marc , you da man bro !!

Marc Marcantonio said:
BBD, be sure to get a quality snap like the Luhr Jensen snap. I prefer them over the Norman's Speed Clips because the Speed Clips have two wire loops that contact your lure eye, and that slightly reduces the action (although that could be a reason to use them if you want to subdue a lure's action). I have also seen where under the right circumstances a Speed Clip can get twisted open when a lure is wedged sideways in a bass's mouth and a lot of pressure is placed on the speed clip. Of course your results may vary, but I have had no issues with stainless wire snaps.

ciao,
Marc

BigBass Dez said:
WOW, this great info .. I have always been told that those speed clips takes some of the action away from cranks and jerks .. But the pro's here are saying other wise .. with that been said im back on the lake to give it a go .. good info guys

Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:
I agree with Marc, good quality snaps are the answer for hard baits. Norman has a speed clip that also works well. The only way I would differ from this is when ripping lipless baits thru grass such as the Lucky Craft LV 500. I much prefer to tie directly to the split ring mostly becasue the snap can at times grap a bit of weed.
That being said sometimes I run a knot directly to spook style baits such as the Reaction Innovation Vixen. This tames down the wide walking motion into a tighter walking motion which sometimes gets you more bites. The only other knot that I can think of that could make a difference in affecting you bait would be a snell knot on you dropshot. This gives you a more teter toter affect on your bait while shaking it.

Marc Marcantonio said:
Yes, knots can affect the action of your lure, but no, they don't do that with my lures. That is because for most lures (except frogs) I use a stainless steel snap instead of a direct knot. This gives you even better movement than a loop knot, and is much stronger particularly after use for several casts. They also make changing your lure much easier, and are easy to tie onto your line.

If you are using a lightweight balsa lure, be sure to use a small snap. With larger lures use larger snaps. No swivels...just a stainless steel snap like those made by Luhr Jensen or by Bentz.

ciao,
Marc
I do not agree with the two wire loop theory, if that was the case the lures would not come with split rings then, because two wires touch, and no company wants to take away action from their baits. If you are going to use speed clips go with the larger ones, the smaller ones are a smaller diameter. BTW Marc is talking about cross lock snaps like found on luhr jensen speed traps/ hot lips.
I usually go with a cross lock with lighter line and an intercoastal for larger line, I have lost a couple fish by putting to much pressure on a fish with 15 lb. test and cheaper crosslock snaps. This of course took a huge amount of pressure, 9lb. plus fish crashing through the grass.

If I am fishing heavy cover with heavy line I just use a good split ring, one less thing to fail when you hook onto the monster, and one less thing to catch and pick up grass or other debris.
Marc Marcantonio said:
BBD, be sure to get a quality snap like the Luhr Jensen snap. I prefer them over the Norman's Speed Clips because the Speed Clips have two wire loops that contact your lure eye, and that slightly reduces the action (although that could be a reason to use them if you want to subdue a lure's action). I have also seen where under the right circumstances a Speed Clip can get twisted open when a lure is wedged sideways in a bass's mouth and a lot of pressure is placed on the speed clip. Of course your results may vary, but I have had no issues with stainless wire snaps.

ciao,
Marc

BigBass Dez said:
WOW, this great info .. I have always been told that those speed clips takes some of the action away from cranks and jerks .. But the pro's here are saying other wise .. with that been said im back on the lake to give it a go .. good info guys

Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:
I agree with Marc, good quality snaps are the answer for hard baits. Norman has a speed clip that also works well. The only way I would differ from this is when ripping lipless baits thru grass such as the Lucky Craft LV 500. I much prefer to tie directly to the split ring mostly becasue the snap can at times grap a bit of weed.
That being said sometimes I run a knot directly to spook style baits such as the Reaction Innovation Vixen. This tames down the wide walking motion into a tighter walking motion which sometimes gets you more bites. The only other knot that I can think of that could make a difference in affecting you bait would be a snell knot on you dropshot. This gives you a more teter toter affect on your bait while shaking it.

Marc Marcantonio said:
Yes, knots can affect the action of your lure, but no, they don't do that with my lures. That is because for most lures (except frogs) I use a stainless steel snap instead of a direct knot. This gives you even better movement than a loop knot, and is much stronger particularly after use for several casts. They also make changing your lure much easier, and are easy to tie onto your line.

If you are using a lightweight balsa lure, be sure to use a small snap. With larger lures use larger snaps. No swivels...just a stainless steel snap like those made by Luhr Jensen or by Bentz.

ciao,
Marc
WOW im truly getting the insides about these clips , I had no ideal guys . I once fished with a bass pro down in nashville and he use tell me that not only did he never use the clips because it takes some action away . He also said that sometimes he will remove the ring from his cranks and and tye directly to the thread hole . So thats why i have alway advoided and even told guys not to use them . Both Ronn and Marc make valid points about these clips and i will get back with you guys later this year and give ya some feed back .. thanks guys, for real !!!

DEZ (The Rookie)
Thanks fellas I'm going to try the Lock Snaps and the snell knot on the dropshot!

Hey mark what size snap to you use with the 12lbs Flo?

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