you could really see where the old weeds/milfoil was. Im gonna keep tryin, the fish are just kinda in limbo i guess from the herbicide treatment....thats my excuse lol all those smallies came out of 20 foot depths give or take a few feet, even the bait fish were down there. I went as a non-boater yesterday, Mr Mark took me out and showed me some spots, so im excited to go back and learn more,but i dont like the D.G.F'ers out there , a bunchof jerks. but i will hit yah up on that offer thou Todd! But this is the weekend ill be heading to banks lake with my dad. some walleyes and smallies!!