Weather, moon, rising, falling, clarity, current, barometer

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Fancher on February 22, 2014 at 11:44pm

I learned today that one variable is the Hobbrometer. When Hobbs is fishing nearby and you see him catch fish, the Hobbrometer rises and the fish only bite his line. It is impossible to catch fish when the Hobbrometeric pressure is rising. The only way to catch fish is to leave the area.

Permalink Reply by Jake Anderson on February 23, 2014 at 11:59am

Reason for the thread: i watched "major league fishing" this year. Kvd was chastizing his competitors, who happen to be the best around, in how they were missing some easy clues that led him to double, and even quadruple their catches. He said "i cant believe they are missing this. This isnt hard".... OUCH! He suggested Something like high sun pushes smallmouth to breaklines and they will sometimes suspend. He was fishing a jerkbait as fast as he could ripping it up while others are dropshotting the bottom and getting bit much less frequently.

I didnt know high sun has that effect. Suspend? What causes that? It seemed pretty straight forward, common knowledge, and something kvd thought shouldnt have been missed. Does this hold true? Oh i dont know, but when im not at my stepdaughters volleyball game in chattaroy, WA and instead Im on the water, i just may try it, and form my own opinion.

Permalink Reply by Sparkles on February 23, 2014 at 5:32pm

Jake "The Snake" Anderson said:

Troy,

I gotta say...I hate the concept of "gut feeling".  Always have.   If you look and see a bank or point that looks "right" that isn't your gut.  That is your brain, eyes, and experience saying that "in these conditions they could be on a spot like that."

Sorry for splitting hairs a bit, but the word "gut feeling" to me is akin to making decisions blindly and without any real rationale.  To me it implies some psychic stuff.  The only people who talk about "gut" are those who are so experienced they think faster than they explain.  They are usually better at thinking than they are explaining how they think. 

I go with my gut when it tells to eat a burrito, when it tells me to go to the bathroom, and when it tells me to push my girls head under the covers.

So if you watched the classic.... the gut feeling just made RH turn right into spring creek! It wasn't his plan. Hmm!!!

Permalink Reply by Jake Anderson on February 24, 2014 at 8:54pm

Haha.... you omitted the part right after that sparkles where he details the rip rap, the muddying water, and several other variables that led him to make his "gut decision".  I was actually going to bring this up as a classic example of the exact misnomer I'm talking about.   God didn't make him turn around.  His gut didn't make him turn around.  He quickly looked at the conditions and said....I should probably go check that out before I make this long run because these conditions could make that spot really good.  

Gut decisions don't exist.  Its like "common sense".  It doesn't exist either. Society proves it daily.

Permalink Reply by Don Hogue on February 25, 2014 at 7:08am

It never hurts to catch 'em good at a spot your last stop before weigh-in.  Makes those next morning "gut" decisions a little easier.  Nothing about the conditions made him stop there, unless catching the "fire out of em" the previous afternoon is a condition.  

I feel your struggle to find the wind + current + moon + sun = fish here equation.  The Classic is a great case-study in that problem.  Lots of conjecture that weather would make the bass do this, and the mud would make them do that...mostly guys came away feeling clueless.  

The other thing nobody has mentioned in this discussion is finding bass is not the issue.  Finding catchable bass is a different problem.  Howell had found some catchable bass at the end of the previous day and decided it would be dumb to not check on them again that final morning.  

The humbling thing about using the "Aqua View" is that it makes you realize real quick that a large % of bass are not going to bite your lure(s).  So the game really becomes trying to line up all the conditions and find bass that will eat what you are willing to throw.

Permalink Reply by Jake Anderson on February 25, 2014 at 9:42am

All good and fair points Don. The non biting fish thing is interesting, and ive heard that before.

You are correct, I may have misspoke about conditions making him choose to go there. When I heard it live, He went down a laundry list of ideal conditions for that spot, but perhaps he was talking about his presentation and crankbait choice.

At any rate, in this article he mentions "gut decisions", then follows it with "i knew there were a lot of fish near the bridge, and many tournaments have been won there."

Its like saying.... You know, I was going to run up the reach after locking through, but some crazy gut idea had me thinking to stop at caseys pond. God made me do it. Total gut instinct. Crazy that I caught 2 kicker largies in there. Totally bizarre. Praise the lord.


http://www.thefishingwire.com/story/312106

Permalink Reply by Jon Sessler on February 25, 2014 at 2:07pm

Jake "The Snake" Anderson said:

I go with my gut when it tells to eat a burrito, when it tells me to go to the bathroom, and when it tells me to push my girls head under the covers.

Probably the most thought provoking statement in this thread - I mean all the other stuff makes me think, but this more than the rest. 

Also wondering how often your "gut" is wrong? If never.....Kudos to The Snake!!

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on February 25, 2014 at 2:12pm

I would bet he's rarely wrong on the first 2 and rarely right on the last one!

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on February 25, 2014 at 2:19pm

The only time I can honestly say a "gut" feeling plays a role for me is in the tie-breaker scenario. I agree that most of us put together a laundry list of characteristics that lead us to determine a fishing spot as viable. Sometimes you end up with multiple spots that meet that description but you only have time for one so you are forced to pick one over the other and maybe it's your "gut" that becomes the tie-breaker. Sometimes you just have a feeling that one will be better than the other even when they are both the same. 

Permalink Reply by BigBass Dez on February 25, 2014 at 3:11pm

Jake,

Is it safe to say the a better way of discribing a bass anglers "Gut Feeling" or "lucky guess" any more different than "Intuition" ? 

Intuition is defined as immediate apprehension or cognition without reasoning or inferring .

Permalink Reply by Jake Anderson on February 25, 2014 at 4:36pm

Even though i'd like to, I don't really make the rules Dez, all i know is that a bass angler without even an inkling of rationale is an unsuccessful one.

Odds of catching big bass diring a tourney with intuition are similar to lotto jackpot. At that point im left wondering why someone is launching a boat for lightning to strike a $5k payout when you should be playing powerball.

I view gut instinct as a coin flip. Like potter said... The tie break.

People just say gut, but they mean a broth created from wise tails, wives tales, shavings of a dragons talon, and a smattering of experience based decision making.

Permalink Reply by BigBass Dez on February 25, 2014 at 5:22pm

lmfao !!!  Right on jake

woody allen says  : "Id rather be lucky than good"

The man who said "I'd rather be lucky than good" saw deeply into life. People are afraid to face how great a part of life is dependent on luck. It's scary to think so much is out of one's control. There are moments in a match when the ball hits the top of the net and for a split second it can either go forward or fall back. With a little luck it goes forward and you win. Or maybe it doesn't and you lose.

Jake "The Snake" Anderson said:

Even though i'd like to, I don't really make the rules Dez, all i know is that a bass angler without even an inkling of rationale is an unsuccessful one.

Odds of catching big bass diring a tourney with intuition are similar to lotto jackpot. At that point im left wondering why someone is launching a boat for lightning to strike a $5k payout when you should be playing powerball.

I view gut instinct as a coin flip. Like potter said... The tie break.

People just say gut, but they mean a broth created from wise tails, wives tales, shavings of a dragons talon, and a smattering of experience based decision making.

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