Looking to sue WDFW and form GoFundMe account for attorney - Washington Fishing2024-03-28T19:29:48Zhttps://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/looking-to-sue-wdfw-and-form-gofundme-account-for-attorney?groupUrl=bassfishing&commentId=2523793%3AComment%3A282286&groupId=2523793%3AGroup%3A87&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSince when did Government emp…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-30:2523793:Comment:2822862016-06-30T20:38:15.659ZJon Sesslerhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/JonSessler429
<p>Since when did Government employed scientists ever make sense.....Global Warming?</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jake Anderson said:</cite></p>
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<p>Since when did Government employed scientists ever make sense.....Global Warming?</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Jake Anderson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/looking-to-sue-wdfw-and-form-gofundme-account-for-attorney?groupUrl=bassfishing&page=5&commentId=2523793%3AComment%3A282152&x=1#2523793Comment282152"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Whats interesting is that in the face of so many obstacles, wdfw seems to be aware that warming water trends are a real threat. Its going to blow everyones mind when the solution to warming water is to save the fish who cant tolerate it by destroying the species who can tolerate increasing temps.<br/> <br/> <a href="http://nwsportsmanmag.com/headlines/columbia-sockeye-forecast-upgraded-sharply-upper-river-sections-now-likely-to-open-soon/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://nwsportsmanmag.com/headlines/columbia-sockeye-forecast-upgra...</a></div>
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</blockquote> Whats interesting is that in…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-30:2523793:Comment:2821522016-06-30T17:31:30.075ZJake Andersonhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/TheSnake
Whats interesting is that in the face of so many obstacles, wdfw seems to be aware that warming water trends are a real threat. Its going to blow everyones mind when the solution to warming water is to save the fish who cant tolerate it by destroying the species who can tolerate increasing temps.…
Whats interesting is that in the face of so many obstacles, wdfw seems to be aware that warming water trends are a real threat. Its going to blow everyones mind when the solution to warming water is to save the fish who cant tolerate it by destroying the species who can tolerate increasing temps.<br />
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<a href="http://nwsportsmanmag.com/headlines/columbia-sockeye-forecast-upgraded-sharply-upper-river-sections-now-likely-to-open-soon/" target="_blank">http://nwsportsmanmag.com/headlines/columbia-sockeye-forecast-upgraded-sharply-upper-river-sections-now-likely-to-open-soon/</a> Jeff,
I hear ya man...Stiles,…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-21:2523793:Comment:2820822016-06-21T18:51:42.298ZBen Haneshttps://www.wafish.com/profile/BenHanes
<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I hear ya man...Stiles, who has been through it, knows a lot more than me...It kinda is deflating hearing the truth...I guess I am just going to try and be a little more proactive.</p>
<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I hear ya man...Stiles, who has been through it, knows a lot more than me...It kinda is deflating hearing the truth...I guess I am just going to try and be a little more proactive.</p> Gary,
I decided to hang back…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-19:2523793:Comment:2819892016-06-19T21:06:19.564ZDana Steinerhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/DanaSteiner
<p>Gary,</p>
<p>I decided to hang back and see if your post stirred up some emotion. Well, it has fell on blind eyes and ignorant minds. You and I know where this is heading, not going to publish it. If that day comes, I will no longer participate in tournaments that are held in Washington state. We as an unorganized group deserve what is coming.</p>
<p>Thanks for all your contributions my friend. Making the rest of you a silent bet. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Gary Stiles said:…</cite></p>
<p>Gary,</p>
<p>I decided to hang back and see if your post stirred up some emotion. Well, it has fell on blind eyes and ignorant minds. You and I know where this is heading, not going to publish it. If that day comes, I will no longer participate in tournaments that are held in Washington state. We as an unorganized group deserve what is coming.</p>
<p>Thanks for all your contributions my friend. Making the rest of you a silent bet. <br/> <br/> <cite>Gary Stiles said:</cite></p>
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<p>Increasing the daily bag limit for bass fishing in the Delta and reducing the fish size limit could go a long way to reducing the decline of endangered salmon and smelt while saving water for urban, farm and other environmental uses.<br/>A broad statewide coalition of water users — ranging from the massive Metropolitan Water District of Southern California to associations representing smaller irrigation districts in and around the Delta along with farming and business groups — are petitioning the California Fish and Game Commission to modify fishing rules to address the predation of endangered Chinook salmon, Central Valley steelhead, and Delta smelt by non-native predator species.<br/>The requested fishing regulation changes are as follows:<br/>uBLACK BASS: Decrease the size limit from 12 inches to 8 inches while increasing the daily bag limit from 5 fish to 10 fish.<br/>uSTRIPED BASS: Decrease the size limit from 18 inches to 12 inches while increasing the daily bag limit from 2 fish to 6 fish.<br/>The Coalition for a Sustainable Delta notes the predation of the endangered native salmon, steelhead and smelt by non-native species is well documented and is a major contributing factor to their dwindling numbers. They cite a 2011 Department of Fish and Game report that concluded “studies of striped bass feeding habits indicate they consume an enormous volume of fish, overlap in their geographic range with the listed species (the endangered Delta smelt, Chinook salmon, and Central Valley steelhead), and have historically consumed listed species, at times in very substantial quantities.”<br/> Studies by Fishbo biologists on the Stanislaus River reaffirm the DFG’s conclusion about the impact non-native fish are having on endangered fish species.<br/>Experts for the coalition have noted water policies involving the Delta put in place in 2003 set the stage for the steady decline of threatened species in the Delta.<br/>The policies have essentially created steady water conditions in the Delta throughout most of the year. Many native fish are stressed mainly because bass — a non-native fish — thrives in such steady water conditions. That in turn creates even more predators to kill off the Chinook salmon and other fish.<br/>The survival rate for Chinook salmon is between 2 and 5 percent by the time they reach the western end of the Delta and enter San Francisco Bay.<br/>The coalition notes state regulators have narrowly focused on increased flows and water pumping restrictions while essentially ignoring predation.<br/> “California families, businesses and farms have sacrificed considerably during this drought to provide water to help preserve salmon and smelt,” noted Coalition for a Sustainable Delta spokesperson Michael Boccadoro. “Modifying size and bag limits for striped bass and black bass is an important next step to better protect and begin restoring these endangered species. It is clear that more needs to be done to halt the continuing declines.”<br/>South San Joaquin Irrigation District General Manager Peter Rietkerk noted the coalition is seeking the fishing rules changes to test whether addressing predation can make a difference for endangered species.<br/>Fish flows have been maintained fairly steady during the drought with no improvement for the threatened fish underscoring data that shows such a strategy simply makes the non-native fish thrive while further reducing the numbers of the Chinook salmon, Central Valley steelhead and Delta Smelt.<br/>“There has been a lot of water committed during the drought to help fish (and it isn’t working),” Rietkerk noted.<br/>The coalition points out water pumping restrictions during the past few months have resulted in more than 1 million acre feet of water being flushed into the ocean in an effort to protect endangered and threatened species. Such water flushing hasn’t solved the problem since it started a decade ago.<br/>A similar measure advanced several years ago was killed after sport fishing groups viewed it as an attempt to eliminate fishing per se.<br/>Rietkerk noted that isn’t the case as the proposal is to see if reducing the numbers of bass by allowing more fishing will improve the survival rates for endangered fish. The goal is to address all needs: the endangered fish, farm and urban water needs, and allowing fishing to continue.<br/>The sport fishing industry has as many as 112 bass fishing tournaments annually in the Delta. Some of the purses run as high as $100,000.<br/>The petition is based on proactive actions taken by other western states. In recent years, Washington and Oregon have both utilized the approach to reduce the impacts of predation. The Columbia River, running through both Washington and Oregon, is home to federally endangered salmon and steelhead populations that are preyed upon by non-native bass, walleye, and catfish. Removal of size and bag limits of these predators was first implemented by the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission in 2015, and more recently approved by the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife in coordination with Washington’s efforts to protect endangered salmon and steelhead.<br/>The petitioners include Coalition for a Sustainable Delta, California Chamber of Commerce, Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, San Joaquin Tributaries Authority, Southern California Water Committee, State Water Contractors, Western Growers Association, California Farm Bureau Federation, Northern California Water Association, and Kern County Water Agency.</p>
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</blockquote> Heck, I'll throw in a Gerbil…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-17:2523793:Comment:2817992016-06-17T15:30:50.451ZDana Steinerhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/DanaSteiner
<p>Heck, I'll throw in a Gerbil for free.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Chief Swimming Fish said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/looking-to-sue-wdfw-and-form-gofundme-account-for-attorney?groupUrl=bassfishing&page=4&commentId=2523793%3AComment%3A281980&x=1#2523793Comment281980"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm pretty sure if you promised to follow that paper with your fist and a reach-around he would be headed north tonight!!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Dana…</cite></p>
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<p>Heck, I'll throw in a Gerbil for free.<br/> <br/> <cite>Chief Swimming Fish said:</cite></p>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/looking-to-sue-wdfw-and-form-gofundme-account-for-attorney?groupUrl=bassfishing&page=4&commentId=2523793%3AComment%3A281976&x=1#2523793Comment281796"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hey Scott,</p>
<p>Bring your draft up to Bellingham, I will show you how a gay bass fisherman will proof read it. I hope your ASS likes eating paper----punk.</p>
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</blockquote> This is pure "propaganda" by…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-17:2523793:Comment:2819762016-06-17T01:34:21.605Zstevenshttps://www.wafish.com/profile/stevens
<p>This is pure "propaganda" by the state to try and convince the uninformed that the bass are the problem not over harvesting. This is a common practice by the state to create a crisis, and most political interest never let a good crisis go to waist to pass their agenda.</p>
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<p>This is pure "propaganda" by the state to try and convince the uninformed that the bass are the problem not over harvesting. This is a common practice by the state to create a crisis, and most political interest never let a good crisis go to waist to pass their agenda.</p>
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<p>Reply by <a class="fn url" href="http://www.wafish.com/group/bassfishing/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=3u0rpw7aai2p6">Gary Stiles</a></p>
<div class="description" id="desc_2523793Comment281974"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Below is a recent article that references the Oregon/Washington efforts to eliminate the black bass from the Columbia River system. In earlier posts I made mention that this mismanagement of OUR resource has the potential to spread to other parts of the country. It seems that California is following suit. Enjoy.</p>
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<p>Below is a recent article that references the Oregon/Washington efforts to eliminate the black bass from the Columbia River system. In earlier posts I made mention that this mismanagement of OUR resource has the potential to spread to other parts of the country. It seems that California is following suit. Enjoy.…</p>
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<p>Below is a recent article that references the Oregon/Washington efforts to eliminate the black bass from the Columbia River system. In earlier posts I made mention that this mismanagement of OUR resource has the potential to spread to other parts of the country. It seems that California is following suit. Enjoy.</p>
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<p>Increasing the daily bag limit for bass fishing in the Delta and reducing the fish size limit could go a long way to reducing the decline of endangered salmon and smelt while saving water for urban, farm and other environmental uses.<br/>A broad statewide coalition of water users — ranging from the massive Metropolitan Water District of Southern California to associations representing smaller irrigation districts in and around the Delta along with farming and business groups — are petitioning the California Fish and Game Commission to modify fishing rules to address the predation of endangered Chinook salmon, Central Valley steelhead, and Delta smelt by non-native predator species.<br/>The requested fishing regulation changes are as follows:<br/>uBLACK BASS: Decrease the size limit from 12 inches to 8 inches while increasing the daily bag limit from 5 fish to 10 fish.<br/>uSTRIPED BASS: Decrease the size limit from 18 inches to 12 inches while increasing the daily bag limit from 2 fish to 6 fish.<br/>The Coalition for a Sustainable Delta notes the predation of the endangered native salmon, steelhead and smelt by non-native species is well documented and is a major contributing factor to their dwindling numbers. They cite a 2011 Department of Fish and Game report that concluded “studies of striped bass feeding habits indicate they consume an enormous volume of fish, overlap in their geographic range with the listed species (the endangered Delta smelt, Chinook salmon, and Central Valley steelhead), and have historically consumed listed species, at times in very substantial quantities.”<br/> Studies by Fishbo biologists on the Stanislaus River reaffirm the DFG’s conclusion about the impact non-native fish are having on endangered fish species.<br/>Experts for the coalition have noted water policies involving the Delta put in place in 2003 set the stage for the steady decline of threatened species in the Delta.<br/>The policies have essentially created steady water conditions in the Delta throughout most of the year. Many native fish are stressed mainly because bass — a non-native fish — thrives in such steady water conditions. That in turn creates even more predators to kill off the Chinook salmon and other fish.<br/>The survival rate for Chinook salmon is between 2 and 5 percent by the time they reach the western end of the Delta and enter San Francisco Bay.<br/>The coalition notes state regulators have narrowly focused on increased flows and water pumping restrictions while essentially ignoring predation.<br/> “California families, businesses and farms have sacrificed considerably during this drought to provide water to help preserve salmon and smelt,” noted Coalition for a Sustainable Delta spokesperson Michael Boccadoro. “Modifying size and bag limits for striped bass and black bass is an important next step to better protect and begin restoring these endangered species. It is clear that more needs to be done to halt the continuing declines.”<br/>South San Joaquin Irrigation District General Manager Peter Rietkerk noted the coalition is seeking the fishing rules changes to test whether addressing predation can make a difference for endangered species.<br/>Fish flows have been maintained fairly steady during the drought with no improvement for the threatened fish underscoring data that shows such a strategy simply makes the non-native fish thrive while further reducing the numbers of the Chinook salmon, Central Valley steelhead and Delta Smelt.<br/>“There has been a lot of water committed during the drought to help fish (and it isn’t working),” Rietkerk noted.<br/>The coalition points out water pumping restrictions during the past few months have resulted in more than 1 million acre feet of water being flushed into the ocean in an effort to protect endangered and threatened species. Such water flushing hasn’t solved the problem since it started a decade ago.<br/>A similar measure advanced several years ago was killed after sport fishing groups viewed it as an attempt to eliminate fishing per se.<br/>Rietkerk noted that isn’t the case as the proposal is to see if reducing the numbers of bass by allowing more fishing will improve the survival rates for endangered fish. The goal is to address all needs: the endangered fish, farm and urban water needs, and allowing fishing to continue.<br/>The sport fishing industry has as many as 112 bass fishing tournaments annually in the Delta. Some of the purses run as high as $100,000.<br/>The petition is based on proactive actions taken by other western states. In recent years, Washington and Oregon have both utilized the approach to reduce the impacts of predation. The Columbia River, running through both Washington and Oregon, is home to federally endangered salmon and steelhead populations that are preyed upon by non-native bass, walleye, and catfish. Removal of size and bag limits of these predators was first implemented by the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission in 2015, and more recently approved by the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife in coordination with Washington’s efforts to protect endangered salmon and steelhead.<br/>The petitioners include Coalition for a Sustainable Delta, California Chamber of Commerce, Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, San Joaquin Tributaries Authority, Southern California Water Committee, State Water Contractors, Western Growers Association, California Farm Bureau Federation, Northern California Water Association, and Kern County Water Agency.</p>
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<p></p> Hey Scott,
Bring your draft u…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-16:2523793:Comment:2817962016-06-16T02:23:28.057ZDana Steinerhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/DanaSteiner
<p>Hey Scott,</p>
<p>Bring your draft up to Bellingham, I will show you how a gay bass fisherman will proof read it. I hope your ASS likes eating paper----punk.</p>
<p>Hey Scott,</p>
<p>Bring your draft up to Bellingham, I will show you how a gay bass fisherman will proof read it. I hope your ASS likes eating paper----punk.</p> I'm all for a letter writing…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-11:2523793:Comment:2817762016-06-11T05:01:05.788ZScott Warrenhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/ScottWarren
<p>I'm all for a letter writing campaign. I'll draft something up if you gays can proof read it.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Ben Hanes said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/looking-to-sue-wdfw-and-form-gofundme-account-for-attorney?groupUrl=bassfishing&groupId=2523793%3AGroup%3A87&id=2523793%3ATopic%3A281710&page=3#2523793Comment281559"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I was looking at the comments regarding the decision to lift limits on the Columbia…</p>
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<p>I'm all for a letter writing campaign. I'll draft something up if you gays can proof read it.<br/> <br/> <cite>Ben Hanes said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/looking-to-sue-wdfw-and-form-gofundme-account-for-attorney?groupUrl=bassfishing&groupId=2523793%3AGroup%3A87&id=2523793%3ATopic%3A281710&page=3#2523793Comment281559"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I was looking at the comments regarding the decision to lift limits on the Columbia River for smallmouth, walleye, and catfish. Apparently, part of the decision made by WDFW was decided based on comments left by people. I don't know exactly how it works, but it's obvious plenty of salmon and west-siders are knowledgeable about the process, because they were ALL OVER wanting to eliminate smallmouth from the river! In fact, the ONLY PERSON who left any good response in defense of BASS was Nick Berto!!!!! He is the only person!!! Shame on me. Shame on us. We have absolutely no representation, and no one out there who is keeping anyone informed. We are an unorganized bunch of dudes who just like to fish. Obviously, sometimes a pen and comments can made a big difference. It's not all about money, and we can make a difference.</p>
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<p>Lake Washington small mouth perch are so delicious. I couldn't even fish for them during the spawn like usual. Something about all the salmon smolts I catch. You would think we would be able to bass fish. I mean that has to help the salmon right? I don't understand the Clinton supporters in our state. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>stevens said:…</cite></p>
<p>Lake Washington small mouth perch are so delicious. I couldn't even fish for them during the spawn like usual. Something about all the salmon smolts I catch. You would think we would be able to bass fish. I mean that has to help the salmon right? I don't understand the Clinton supporters in our state. <br/> <br/> <cite>stevens said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/looking-to-sue-wdfw-and-form-gofundme-account-for-attorney?groupUrl=bassfishing&groupId=2523793%3AGroup%3A87&id=2523793%3ATopic%3A281710&page=3#2523793Comment281740"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Our local salmon opportunities have been recently taken away including fishing Lake Washington and Sammamish....I most likely pay closer attention than your aware of Mr. Steiner! (Olympia has been attacking my fishing rights since Feb,12 1974 Boldt decision) And as far as the big picture goes the wdfw knows they can't eliminate the smb they are just thinning the herd. Salmon on the other hand are actually endangered from over harvesting. And The state sees the smb an escape goat, not tribal gill nets or commercial fishing. I wonder if netting lake wa. study last year had an effect on this? </p>
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<p>so when you go down swinging try not to hit yourself......</p>
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<p><cite>Dana Steiner said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/looking-to-sue-wdfw-and-form-gofundme-account-for-attorney?groupUrl=bassfishing&groupId=2523793%3AGroup%3A87&id=2523793%3ATopic%3A281710&page=3#2523793Comment281636"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>You might want to pay closer attention to the big picture. There may come a day in the near future, that you won't be allowed to catch your own crab and salmon. Do you really think that they are going to stop taking away the sport fishing opportunities if we don't fight back? This is not just about the attack on the warm water species, this is an attack on your future fishing rights for all species.</p>
<p>If I'm going to lose, I'm going down swinging!</p>
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