Northwest Bass Statement On Found Cage - Washington Fishing2024-03-29T13:28:01Zhttps://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/northwest-bass-statement-on-found-cage?groupUrl=bassfishing&commentId=2523793%3AComment%3A282155&groupId=2523793%3AGroup%3A87&feed=yes&xn_auth=noFirst off the cage would be f…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-07-06:2523793:Comment:2822182016-07-06T02:15:27.739ZDana Steinerhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/DanaSteiner
<p>First off the cage would be full and I would place it about 4' deeper! <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jon Sessler said:</cite></p>
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<p>First off the cage would be full and I would place it about 4' deeper! <br/> <br/> <cite>Jon Sessler said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/northwest-bass-statement-on-found-cage?groupUrl=bassfishing&page=4&commentId=2523793%3AComment%3A282393&x=1#2523793Comment282155"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Maybe Dana took a page out of the ISIS handbook and got ahold of some Liberals!</p>
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</blockquote> I would never weigh in a Libe…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-07-04:2523793:Comment:2823932016-07-04T18:42:14.679ZDana Steinerhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/DanaSteiner
<p>I would never weigh in a Liberal. They look like sunken belly post spawners.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jon Sessler said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/northwest-bass-statement-on-found-cage?groupUrl=bassfishing&page=4&commentId=2523793%3AComment%3A282155&x=1#2523793Comment282155"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Maybe Dana took a page out of the ISIS handbook and got ahold of some Liberals!…</p>
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<p>I would never weigh in a Liberal. They look like sunken belly post spawners.<br/> <br/> <cite>Jon Sessler said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/northwest-bass-statement-on-found-cage?groupUrl=bassfishing&page=4&commentId=2523793%3AComment%3A282155&x=1#2523793Comment282155"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Maybe Dana took a page out of the ISIS handbook and got ahold of some Liberals!</p>
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</blockquote> Maybe Dana took a page out of…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-30:2523793:Comment:2821552016-06-30T21:03:11.736ZJon Sesslerhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/JonSessler429
<p>Maybe Dana took a page out of the ISIS handbook and got ahold of some Liberals!</p>
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<p>Maybe Dana took a page out of the ISIS handbook and got ahold of some Liberals!</p>
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<p></p> I havent ruled it out... But…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-30:2523793:Comment:2822762016-06-30T14:15:08.996ZJake Andersonhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/TheSnake
I havent ruled it out... But Mike Bess wanted her good reputation untarnished.
I havent ruled it out... But Mike Bess wanted her good reputation untarnished. And I thought the Amber theor…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-30:2523793:Comment:2822752016-06-30T03:28:16.335ZDana Steinerhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/DanaSteiner
<p>And I thought the Amber theory had a chance.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jake Anderson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/northwest-bass-statement-on-found-cage?groupUrl=bassfishing&x=1&groupId=2523793%3AGroup%3A87&id=2523793%3ATopic%3A281951&page=4#2523793Comment282376"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I don't like the term witch hunt here. It implies that if you want a tool to be used to identify if cheating took place, or to deter cheating…</p>
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<p>And I thought the Amber theory had a chance.<br/> <br/> <cite>Jake Anderson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/northwest-bass-statement-on-found-cage?groupUrl=bassfishing&x=1&groupId=2523793%3AGroup%3A87&id=2523793%3ATopic%3A281951&page=4#2523793Comment282376"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I don't like the term witch hunt here. It implies that if you want a tool to be used to identify if cheating took place, or to deter cheating from happening in the future, then you are out to get someone in particular. </p>
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<p>To Chris Lambert's question, and it is a good one...I don't know. It certainly looks like a fish trap used for cheating more than it looks like something used for anything else. </p>
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<p>That said, images can be deceiving and draw an emotional response rather than anything well thought out. </p>
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<p>If you were going to cheat, would your "trap" look like that, and would you place it in that area? I would bet I can't find a single person who would answer yes to both of those questions...or maybe even one of them.</p>
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<p>The reality is that to cheat in a 5 fish tournament with off limits on a body of water where 25lbs is very possible and big fish can exceed 8lbs....don't you have to question how much work, luck, and execution it would take to cheat, get away with it, and then actually win in order to justify the risk?</p>
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<p>To me, a successful cheater in NWBass is like a unicorn. You'd have to be the biggest dumbass in the world to think the risk is worth the reward, but then incredibly intelligent to pull it off. You'd also have to be a very very good angler to catch fish big enough to get a win, and have a partner that has a complete lack of a conscience just as you do...and that conscience could never grow, even in the face of stealing money from your friends, peers, mentors..etc. </p>
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<p>So again the cheater cocktail is: Dumbass, Brilliant, Skilled Angler, Partner with no Soul.</p>
<p>Recipe for cheating success: Tolerate huge amounts of risk, work hard to catch big fish, execute full-proof plan, cross fingers that my partner doesn't grow a soul. Hope that huge bag of cheat fish are big enough to win in water where 25lbs is probable, and 8lb bigfish is possible.</p>
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<p>BBT is a different animal, but I've come full circle on this, and I just don' think such a brilliant dumbass exists. If they do, then they will get complacent and they will get caught red handed. At this point I think Polygraphs should be used for validating protests and thats about it.</p>
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</blockquote> I don't like the term witch h…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-29:2523793:Comment:2823762016-06-29T23:01:14.364ZJake Andersonhttps://www.wafish.com/profile/TheSnake
<p>I don't like the term witch hunt here. It implies that if you want a tool to be used to identify if cheating took place, or to deter cheating from happening in the future, then you are out to get someone in particular. </p>
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<p>To Chris Lambert's question, and it is a good one...I don't know. It certainly looks like a fish trap used for cheating more than it looks like something used for anything else. </p>
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<p>That said, images can be deceiving and draw an emotional response…</p>
<p>I don't like the term witch hunt here. It implies that if you want a tool to be used to identify if cheating took place, or to deter cheating from happening in the future, then you are out to get someone in particular. </p>
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<p>To Chris Lambert's question, and it is a good one...I don't know. It certainly looks like a fish trap used for cheating more than it looks like something used for anything else. </p>
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<p>That said, images can be deceiving and draw an emotional response rather than anything well thought out. </p>
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<p>If you were going to cheat, would your "trap" look like that, and would you place it in that area? I would bet I can't find a single person who would answer yes to both of those questions...or maybe even one of them.</p>
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<p>The reality is that to cheat in a 5 fish tournament with off limits on a body of water where 25lbs is very possible and big fish can exceed 8lbs....don't you have to question how much work, luck, and execution it would take to cheat, get away with it, and then actually win in order to justify the risk?</p>
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<p>To me, a successful cheater in NWBass is like a unicorn. You'd have to be the biggest dumbass in the world to think the risk is worth the reward, but then incredibly intelligent to pull it off. You'd also have to be a very very good angler to catch fish big enough to get a win, and have a partner that has a complete lack of a conscience just as you do...and that conscience could never grow, even in the face of stealing money from your friends, peers, mentors..etc. </p>
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<p>So again the cheater cocktail is: Dumbass, Brilliant, Skilled Angler, Partner with no Soul.</p>
<p>Recipe for cheating success: Tolerate huge amounts of risk, work hard to catch big fish, execute full-proof plan, cross fingers that my partner doesn't grow a soul. Hope that huge bag of cheat fish are big enough to win in water where 25lbs is probable, and 8lb bigfish is possible.</p>
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<p>BBT is a different animal, but I've come full circle on this, and I just don' think such a brilliant dumbass exists. If they do, then they will get complacent and they will get caught red handed. At this point I think Polygraphs should be used for validating protests and thats about it.</p>
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Let's be crystal clear…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-28:2523793:Comment:2821272016-06-28T20:41:29.051ZMike Besshttps://www.wafish.com/profile/MikeBess
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Let's be crystal clear- There was ZERO criticism towards anyone who thought the cage was used for cheating. The issue I had was when unfounded accusations started to fly... I saw the cage from the river- white pvc, no real attempt to conceal it, and it was obvious a portion of the cage was above the water line. Maybe I've hunted ducks way too long, but this attempt at a cage was laughable.. Potential uses for the cage:</p>
<p>1) Ron's neighbor's cat</p>
<p>2) Carp…</p>
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<p>Let's be crystal clear- There was ZERO criticism towards anyone who thought the cage was used for cheating. The issue I had was when unfounded accusations started to fly... I saw the cage from the river- white pvc, no real attempt to conceal it, and it was obvious a portion of the cage was above the water line. Maybe I've hunted ducks way too long, but this attempt at a cage was laughable.. Potential uses for the cage:</p>
<p>1) Ron's neighbor's cat</p>
<p>2) Carp Hunter</p>
<p>3) Holding cage for bank angler's bounty</p>
<p>4) Cheating in a tournament- by the way, which one?</p>
<p>5) Maybe some local kids were screwing around trying to catch muskrats</p>
<p>6) For my dog when she breaks</p>
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<p>My point is the "cage" could have been used for anything which includes cheating. How it was handled/addressed by a minority few was unfortunate and reflects on us all...</p>
<p> <br/> <cite>Chris Lambert said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/northwest-bass-statement-on-found-cage?groupUrl=bassfishing&page=3&commentId=2523793%3AComment%3A282193&x=1#2523793Comment281868"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Seems about time this thread should take a different path. There has been a ton of criticism towards the guys who think it was a cage used for cheating. This forum seems to be built of a group of intelligent individuals who all share a common interest that we all want to protect. How about we agree to disagree but let's hear some thoughts rather than criticism. I would love to hear from the group that thinks the cage was for something else. What else could this cage be used for???</div>
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</blockquote> I tried to poach a spot off b…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-28:2523793:Comment:2818702016-06-28T19:48:09.011ZRonald Hobbs, Jr.https://www.wafish.com/profile/RonaldHobbs
I tried to poach a spot off bess last week, he was acting suspicious, so when he pulled off the spot I pulled in and here is what I found...... I was suprised! Bass but without the B<br />
My only question, How do you catch one of those?
I tried to poach a spot off bess last week, he was acting suspicious, so when he pulled off the spot I pulled in and here is what I found...... I was suprised! Bass but without the B<br />
My only question, How do you catch one of those? Or it could be used for craw…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-28:2523793:Comment:2818692016-06-28T19:14:34.675ZRonald Hobbs, Jr.https://www.wafish.com/profile/RonaldHobbs
Or it could be used for craw fish or it could be used for Bass that are headed to the fryer, let's not forget there is no limit on them, a guy could be storing fish there over the weekend to keep them alive and fish Saturday and Sunday to have the "money shot" on the fillet table. That shot would undoubtedly hang on the wall at Sportsmen Warehouse (wholesale sports) in Kennewick. That guy is no different then the guy holding big prespawn or spawning fish in his livewell for no apparent reason…
Or it could be used for craw fish or it could be used for Bass that are headed to the fryer, let's not forget there is no limit on them, a guy could be storing fish there over the weekend to keep them alive and fish Saturday and Sunday to have the "money shot" on the fillet table. That shot would undoubtedly hang on the wall at Sportsmen Warehouse (wholesale sports) in Kennewick. That guy is no different then the guy holding big prespawn or spawning fish in his livewell for no apparent reason other than to see if he can catch another and take a "money shot" Even though the only legal water to do this on is the Columbia or a WA State permitted event.br/><br/>
Everyone knows both the "Money Shots" I am referring to.<br />
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<cite>Chris Lambert said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.wafish.com/forum/topics/northwest-bass-statement-on-found-cage?groupUrl=bassfishing&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum&groupId=2523793%3AGroup%3A87&id=2523793%3ATopic%3A281951&page=4#2523793Comment282069"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">All that I fish these days are Federation tournaments so I honestly don't keep track about other tournament dates and schedules. Cheating goes on constantly in other parts of the world and we would be ignorant to think our state is immune to it. The top sticks in the state (federation, club, NW, whomever) are stellar and, when I have fished against them, they have made me a better angler. In no way am I saying it is any of them or anyone in particular for that matter. I want to make that extremely clear. I honestly want to know what people think this cage could be used for if not cheating. Not trying to stir up any drama. Just curious what you guys think. Ron did have some good points about possibly storing panfish or catfish.</div>
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</blockquote> All that I fish these days ar…tag:www.wafish.com,2016-06-28:2523793:Comment:2820692016-06-28T18:58:16.977ZChris Lamberthttps://www.wafish.com/profile/ChrisLambert
All that I fish these days are Federation tournaments so I honestly don't keep track about other tournament dates and schedules. Cheating goes on constantly in other parts of the world and we would be ignorant to think our state is immune to it. The top sticks in the state (federation, club, NW, whomever) are stellar and, when I have fished against them, they have made me a better angler. In no way am I saying it is any of them or anyone in particular for that matter. I want to make that…
All that I fish these days are Federation tournaments so I honestly don't keep track about other tournament dates and schedules. Cheating goes on constantly in other parts of the world and we would be ignorant to think our state is immune to it. The top sticks in the state (federation, club, NW, whomever) are stellar and, when I have fished against them, they have made me a better angler. In no way am I saying it is any of them or anyone in particular for that matter. I want to make that extremely clear. I honestly want to know what people think this cage could be used for if not cheating. Not trying to stir up any drama. Just curious what you guys think. Ron did have some good points about possibly storing panfish or catfish.