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Should Retailers Be Focusing on Price Points or Brands?
Should retailers be more focused on certain brands or certain price points. Does it do you any good for a retailer to carry an unlimited supply of $500 rods if you only have $150 to spend?
I get why the polls are going on but to me it makes no sense at all. Of course all the brands will be up there. What the retailers really need to know is how much are you willing to spend on your next big purchase? What is you limit for a Rod? Reel? HardBait? If they knew this they could have alot more options.
What is better a store with 6 different models of Daiwas or the store that has 6 different brands at the price you want to spend? I think if these stores would do more of this kind of Polling they would be better suited to fill alot more guys' needs.
I think It would be awesome to walk into a shop and tell someone that you want to spend $100 on a baitcasting rod and $100 on a baitcasting reel, and they come back with 6 different brands for you to test and try, this is a popular price point and I think that stores should carry more good stuff at this point. A good store should have atleast 6 good choices at this price point, to name a few rods manufacturers, St. Croix, Abu Garcia, Wright & Mcgill, Element 21 all have great $100 rods.
These are the kinds of examples we need, not 200 different rods from 1 good company but 10 different rods from 20 good companies in the price points we are willing to spend our hard earned money on.
This is why I think that the polls that are up right now, form a retailers perspective, draw them no good conclusion. They (retailers) say 'we already got those brands we're good and that is it.' I say no find out what price points customers are willing to spend on rods and reels, then stock the crap out of that particular price point item from as many different manufactures that you can. Give fishermen options and they will buyt!
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Permalink Reply by Ronald Hobbs, Jr. on
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forgot another Larry Nixon uses the ABU's
Buddy said:Nixon, Iaconelli, Palinuik, Chapman and Skeet are just a few who fish with rods under the $100 mark. But then again they are all unsuccessful anglers, my bad.
Craig, you are awesome!
Don Hogue said:Craig,
You say using a high-end rod makes you a better fisherman, I say it doesn't. Do I like certain aspects of "high-end" rods? Sure. They are better built, better components, better warranty, lighter, etc. I have lots of high-end rods. I can't look anyone in the eye and tell them spending more for a rod will make them better. In fact, I just got rid of some $230 rods in favor of some $100 rods.
Put yourself in the guy's shoes who is using a $30 rod. Someone comes on here and starts telling you to go ahead and use your cheap rod - 'cause the guys with the high end rods will catch most of the fish. I'm just gonna go ahead and call b.s. on that. If you really want to help, answer the guy's question about staging fish. Don't give people the impression that to be a real stick you need to fish with expensive ones.
Somebody should let Palaniuk know that his $99 Veritas rods aren't gonna cut it. For $50 more, he could step up to VanDam's rod for $149 - still not a high end rod. I wonder if those guys know they could be doing so much better with $200-$500 dollar rods.
Craig Taylor said:
Call it whatever you want man, I dont care. And hell yea I know what I am saying. Even at the age of 25 I have the time on the water, tournament experiance and bass IQ to stand by it. I say what I beleave in with out hiding my pride or face. More than what some do on WAFISH. Don't like it? Fine, you dont need to. At least my reply is in the name of trying to help someone get more fish in the boat. Yours is just in the name of being a smug jerk. As a guy who obviously knows how to use the INTERNET as you yell it and also a former representive of WA on bass fishings biggest stage I find it puzzling why you would want to go out of your way to come off like that. OK, maybe it was a loose medaphor about being able to count grass blades, I think you thought a little too deep in to that one turbo.
By no means do I think a low MSRP cant put fish in the boat, but good luck out fishing someone on a every day bases who is using a Dobyns Championship or NRX/GLX level rod.
Don Hogue said:Serious????
Someones's been drinking the kool-aide...You do realize this thing is hooked up to the INTERNET and lots of other people can read this?
Craig Taylor said:Good is the enemy of great... That is how I treat my rod selection. With a rod under $100 have you ever been able to tell the diff between sand and clay at 30-40 feet? Tell the diff between kinds of grasses? Ever been able to count blades of grass with a jig? Been able to tell the diff between pebbles and golf ball sized rock at 30-40 feet?... You can with a high end rod. It's all about the sensitivity a elite rod brings to the table.
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Craig I think you are still young and dumb, for this I will excuse your for these comments which I can not agree with.
Craig Taylor said:For those that want to stick with rods that are in the $30-$100 price range, please continue to do so because I know that a higher end rod will be able to feel more than half the bites you guys are able to feel thus meaning we high end rod users will out fish all of you 95% of the time hahaha
All kidding aside, The difference between a Championship Series Dobyns and a low MSRP rod is almost unmeasurable and yes, a higher end rod will make someone a better fishermen. These rods are not always for the fishermen who goes out just once in a while. These rods are investment rods for the fishermen who will get all there monies or sentimental worth out of the rod. Hell, every rod I have had that is over $200 has literally payed for itself in past winnings.
I will say that most all brands have a series of high end rods and I think they are all very comparable to one another so I don't think it makes a huge difference on what brand you use when it comes to high end rods even though it's hard to part with brand you have a ton of confidence in. This is very noticeable at the true pro level. All the guys are using high end rods but are different brands and still being able to be competitive with one another
It does get to a point ware some high end rods have better features than the rod that came before it (NRX VS. GLX for example) but I really don't think they make a huge difference on putting more fish in the live well from a sensitivity stand point.
I just want to put emphasis in the fact that there is a HUGE difference in low MSRP rods and high MSRP rods. They don't ask for that much money for no reason...they are worth ever cent most of the time.... With that said, I would like to see no bass rod over $400. Even I roll my eyes at the price tag on some of these rods.
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Permalink Reply by Buddy on
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You may have to re-read it, Ron. Nixon was the first I named.
Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:forgot another Larry Nixon uses the ABU's
Buddy said:Nixon, Iaconelli, Palinuik, Chapman and Skeet are just a few who fish with rods under the $100 mark. But then again they are all unsuccessful anglers, my bad.
Craig, you are awesome!
Don Hogue said:Craig,
You say using a high-end rod makes you a better fisherman, I say it doesn't. Do I like certain aspects of "high-end" rods? Sure. They are better built, better components, better warranty, lighter, etc. I have lots of high-end rods. I can't look anyone in the eye and tell them spending more for a rod will make them better. In fact, I just got rid of some $230 rods in favor of some $100 rods.
Put yourself in the guy's shoes who is using a $30 rod. Someone comes on here and starts telling you to go ahead and use your cheap rod - 'cause the guys with the high end rods will catch most of the fish. I'm just gonna go ahead and call b.s. on that. If you really want to help, answer the guy's question about staging fish. Don't give people the impression that to be a real stick you need to fish with expensive ones.
Somebody should let Palaniuk know that his $99 Veritas rods aren't gonna cut it. For $50 more, he could step up to VanDam's rod for $149 - still not a high end rod. I wonder if those guys know they could be doing so much better with $200-$500 dollar rods.
Craig Taylor said:
Call it whatever you want man, I dont care. And hell yea I know what I am saying. Even at the age of 25 I have the time on the water, tournament experiance and bass IQ to stand by it. I say what I beleave in with out hiding my pride or face. More than what some do on WAFISH. Don't like it? Fine, you dont need to. At least my reply is in the name of trying to help someone get more fish in the boat. Yours is just in the name of being a smug jerk. As a guy who obviously knows how to use the INTERNET as you yell it and also a former representive of WA on bass fishings biggest stage I find it puzzling why you would want to go out of your way to come off like that. OK, maybe it was a loose medaphor about being able to count grass blades, I think you thought a little too deep in to that one turbo.
By no means do I think a low MSRP cant put fish in the boat, but good luck out fishing someone on a every day bases who is using a Dobyns Championship or NRX/GLX level rod.
Don Hogue said:Serious????
Someones's been drinking the kool-aide...You do realize this thing is hooked up to the INTERNET and lots of other people can read this?
Craig Taylor said:Good is the enemy of great... That is how I treat my rod selection. With a rod under $100 have you ever been able to tell the diff between sand and clay at 30-40 feet? Tell the diff between kinds of grasses? Ever been able to count blades of grass with a jig? Been able to tell the diff between pebbles and golf ball sized rock at 30-40 feet?... You can with a high end rod. It's all about the sensitivity a elite rod brings to the table.
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Craig, now two of the most smokin' sticks in WA are wondering if you are going to AA anytime soon?
Heres one: Why don't you stick to your $250.00 Dobyns Champion"ship" Rods, and we'll keep track of you this year and see how many times you donate to guys using $99.00 rods.
Stay Tuned! :)
Craig I think you are still young and dumb, for this I will excuse your for these comments which I can not agree with.
Craig Taylor said:For those that want to stick with rods that are in the $30-$100 price range, please continue to do so because I know that a higher end rod will be able to feel more than half the bites you guys are able to feel thus meaning we high end rod users will out fish all of you 95% of the time hahaha
All kidding aside, The difference between a Championship Series Dobyns and a low MSRP rod is almost unmeasurable and yes, a higher end rod will make someone a better fishermen. These rods are not always for the fishermen who goes out just once in a while. These rods are investment rods for the fishermen who will get all there monies or sentimental worth out of the rod. Hell, every rod I have had that is over $200 has literally payed for itself in past winnings.
I will say that most all brands have a series of high end rods and I think they are all very comparable to one another so I don't think it makes a huge difference on what brand you use when it comes to high end rods even though it's hard to part with brand you have a ton of confidence in. This is very noticeable at the true pro level. All the guys are using high end rods but are different brands and still being able to be competitive with one another
It does get to a point ware some high end rods have better features than the rod that came before it (NRX VS. GLX for example) but I really don't think they make a huge difference on putting more fish in the live well from a sensitivity stand point.
I just want to put emphasis in the fact that there is a HUGE difference in low MSRP rods and high MSRP rods. They don't ask for that much money for no reason...they are worth ever cent most of the time.... With that said, I would like to see no bass rod over $400. Even I roll my eyes at the price tag on some of these rods.
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Permalink Reply by 0koeo85ldc9uf on
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The seminar starts soon! Buddy, why don't we see how many $99 rods Ron or Marc have in their presentations...
T-Bone
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This all started over a tantrum Ron had because he was tired of seeing polls on his, I mean Jordan's, website?
T-Bone
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I think your looking at it all wrong, Craig. We all know that you are an "OK" fisherman and one day (not anytime in the near future) you'll be as good as Ron. Keep trying man, you'll get there one day. You should try to start your own TV show.
Oh yeah, we don't sware of this site either.
Craig Taylor said:Great point.
It's nice to know that Washington States best bass fishermen who is kinda the face of Washington bass fishing these days is a tantrum throwing (on multiple occasions) asshole who looks down on people who don't fish his way.... makin' the sponsors proud I see. I thought it was just dock-talk about you Hobbs but you prove it yourself.
I will say I at lease respect that Ron and Don show their name and faces.
T-bone said:The seminar starts soon! Buddy, why don't we see how many $99 rods Ron or Marc have in their presentations...
T-Bone
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You are correct, T-BONER
T-bone said:This all started over a tantrum Ron had because he was tired of seeing polls on his, I mean Jordan's, website?
T-Bone
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Permalink Reply by Pat on
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take a little advice from someone a lot older, and probably smarter - shhhhhhh
CRAIG TAYLOR
Home: Olympia, WA
Bass Tournament Statistics
Career earnings: $ 2,460
Weight of largest day's catch: 18 lbs, 8 oz, (2008, EverStart Series, Western , California Delta, CA)
Number of events fished: 10 since 2007
Tour Highlights
EverStart Series - Western Division
Year Ranking Points Tournaments Fished Bass Caught Days 1&2 Weight Total Weight Earnings Status Career - - 8 88 141 lbs, 5 oz 204 lbs, 10 oz $ 1,710 - 2008 10 612 4 47 77 lbs, 8 oz 106 lbs, 13 oz $ 1,398 Co-Angler 2007 35 503 4 41 63 lbs, 13 oz 97 lbs, 13 oz $ 312 Co-Angler
EverStart Series - Championship Division
Year Ranking Points Tournaments Fished Bass Caught Days 1&2 Weight Total Weight Earnings Status Career - - 2 6 11 lbs, 3 oz 11 lbs, 3 oz $ 750 - 2008 - 0 1 4 9 lbs, 1 oz 9 lbs, 1 oz $ 750 Co-Angler 2007 - 77 1 2 2 lbs, 2 oz 2 lbs, 2 oz $ 0 Co-Angler -
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DUH sorry buddy!
Buddy said:You may have to re-read it, Ron. Nixon was the first I named.
Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:forgot another Larry Nixon uses the ABU's
Buddy said:Nixon, Iaconelli, Palinuik, Chapman and Skeet are just a few who fish with rods under the $100 mark. But then again they are all unsuccessful anglers, my bad.
Craig, you are awesome!
Don Hogue said:Craig,
You say using a high-end rod makes you a better fisherman, I say it doesn't. Do I like certain aspects of "high-end" rods? Sure. They are better built, better components, better warranty, lighter, etc. I have lots of high-end rods. I can't look anyone in the eye and tell them spending more for a rod will make them better. In fact, I just got rid of some $230 rods in favor of some $100 rods.
Put yourself in the guy's shoes who is using a $30 rod. Someone comes on here and starts telling you to go ahead and use your cheap rod - 'cause the guys with the high end rods will catch most of the fish. I'm just gonna go ahead and call b.s. on that. If you really want to help, answer the guy's question about staging fish. Don't give people the impression that to be a real stick you need to fish with expensive ones.
Somebody should let Palaniuk know that his $99 Veritas rods aren't gonna cut it. For $50 more, he could step up to VanDam's rod for $149 - still not a high end rod. I wonder if those guys know they could be doing so much better with $200-$500 dollar rods.
Craig Taylor said:
Call it whatever you want man, I dont care. And hell yea I know what I am saying. Even at the age of 25 I have the time on the water, tournament experiance and bass IQ to stand by it. I say what I beleave in with out hiding my pride or face. More than what some do on WAFISH. Don't like it? Fine, you dont need to. At least my reply is in the name of trying to help someone get more fish in the boat. Yours is just in the name of being a smug jerk. As a guy who obviously knows how to use the INTERNET as you yell it and also a former representive of WA on bass fishings biggest stage I find it puzzling why you would want to go out of your way to come off like that. OK, maybe it was a loose medaphor about being able to count grass blades, I think you thought a little too deep in to that one turbo.
By no means do I think a low MSRP cant put fish in the boat, but good luck out fishing someone on a every day bases who is using a Dobyns Championship or NRX/GLX level rod.
Don Hogue said:Serious????
Someones's been drinking the kool-aide...You do realize this thing is hooked up to the INTERNET and lots of other people can read this?
Craig Taylor said:Good is the enemy of great... That is how I treat my rod selection. With a rod under $100 have you ever been able to tell the diff between sand and clay at 30-40 feet? Tell the diff between kinds of grasses? Ever been able to count blades of grass with a jig? Been able to tell the diff between pebbles and golf ball sized rock at 30-40 feet?... You can with a high end rod. It's all about the sensitivity a elite rod brings to the table.
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Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on
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Craig,
How much would you say you have spent on rods? You claim to have made every penny back by winning with them. I just need that number so I can do some simple math.
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Why would you say something like that?
I pretty much was making a joke of the 3 posts of different polls that were going down I made like 10 polls in a row and then an 11th one all of them got erased but the 11th one. I did not see the purpose in the polls they was no explanation why we could have only one pick and if we had more than one it would not count......count....count for what, what was this poll going to be used for, or by who? The poll was not explained.
As far being my website....that would be awesome, maybe I would have some extra money for buying some Dobyns Championship rods.
I don't how you can even see it as a tantrum either? Personal opinions were allowed last time I checked and I am prepared to take the critisism for them, but for you to call it a tantrum, I think it is more worthy of a different title.
As far as I know you are another fictational character on here just to give people crap, it seems as if you know a little too much to be new to the scene.
This all started over a tantrum Ron had because he was tired of seeing polls on his, I mean Jordan's, website?
T-Bone
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