2013 Tentative NW Bass Schedule

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Permalink Reply by troy kelly on August 17, 2012 at 4:57pm

Perhaps they did away with a may tourney because of the nixons open taking away some participation.   

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on August 17, 2012 at 8:22pm

I was home with a cold today and got a little nerdy. Instead of just stating an opinion, or what I "think", I decided to look at the facts of the last 5 years. It is pretty telling after you actually look at the data.

 

I looked at the turnout of the 4 constant events every year from 2008 to present. Those being Banks, Lake Washington, Potholes, and the River. Banks averaged 102.8  boats, Lake Washington 73.4 boats, Potholes 97.0 and the River 79.4 respectively. I was surprised to see that as bad as the turnout for Lake Washington was this year it has consistently turned out almost as many boats as the river every year with this year being the exception. The best Lake Washington turnout in the last 5 years was 92 boats in O9 (also the best turnout for every event in NW Bass history). The worst turnout was obviously this year at 43 boats. The best turnout for the River also in 09 was 99 boats and the worst, also this year, was 60 boats.

 

Another interesting comment I have heard a lot this year is that participation was down becuase there were 6 qualifiers. The second best boat turnout for a season was in 2008 and there were 7 qualifiers that year. The percentage drop per year for each event has been almost identical, the one exception being Lake Washington this year but it was dropping at almost identical rates as the other events up until this year.

 

The most consistent Lake for turnout regardless of the time of year has been Potholes. It doesn't seem to matter whether it is held in June or July, the turnout is almost the same. There has been as many as 108 boats in July and 99 boats in June. The least consistent based on time of year is the river. When held in June (09&10) the river drew 99&92 boats respectively. When held in July (08,11, and 12)  it drops to 76,70,and 60 respectively. That seems to be pretty clear evidence even if you throw this year out.

 

The biggest drop in participation as a percentage has been Lake Washington but a very close second has been the River. At the peak in 09 to today Lake Washington is down 49 (53%) boats and the River is down 39boats (39.39%). The smallest percentage drop is Potholes at 24% and second smallest is Banks at 34.9%.

 

My opinion after looking at all of this data is that participation probably has less to do with the schedule than anyone believes based on the fact that every event has been declining at almost the same rate each year since it's peak. Some events started with a larger number of participants so the end result doesn't look as bad but the fact of the matter is they are all down. I still argue that it has more to do with families and money. Some of us are getting older and busy and some of us are just broke. The curcuit went from a high in "rookie" teams (19) in 2008 to just 7 this year. Those that left have not been replaced at the same rate.

 

 That being said, if I was going to attempt to rejuvenate participation by way of schedule adjustment the statistics say that scheduling 1/2 of next years events on the second worst body of water (by participation stats) doesn't make sense.

Permalink Reply by Mike Bess on August 17, 2012 at 8:59pm

Can you please be more specific?
 
Josh Potter said:

I was home with a cold today and got a little nerdy. Instead of just stating an opinion, or what I "think", I decided to look at the facts of the last 5 years. It is pretty telling after you actually look at the data.

 

I looked at the turnout of the 4 constant events every year from 2008 to present. Those being Banks, Lake Washington, Potholes, and the River. Banks averaged 102.8  boats, Lake Washington 73.4 boats, Potholes 97.0 and the River 79.4 respectively. I was surprised to see that as bad as the turnout for Lake Washington was this year it has consistently turned out almost as many boats as the river every year with this year being the exception. The best Lake Washington turnout in the last 5 years was 92 boats in O9 (also the best turnout for every event in NW Bass history). The worst turnout was obviously this year at 43 boats. The best turnout for the River also in 09 was 99 boats and the worst, also this year, was 60 boats.

 

Another interesting comment I have heard a lot this year is that participation was down becuase there were 6 qualifiers. The second best boat turnout for a season was in 2008 and there were 7 qualifiers that year. The percentage drop per year for each event has been almost identical, the one exception being Lake Washington this year but it was dropping at almost identical rates as the other events up until this year.

 

The most consistent Lake for turnout regardless of the time of year has been Potholes. It doesn't seem to matter whether it is held in June or July, the turnout is almost the same. There has been as many as 108 boats in July and 99 boats in June. The least consistent based on time of year is the river. When held in June (09&10) the river drew 99&92 boats respectively. When held in July (08,11, and 12)  it drops to 76,70,and 60 respectively. That seems to be pretty clear evidence even if you throw this year out.

 

The biggest drop in participation as a percentage has been Lake Washington but a very close second has been the River. At the peak in 09 to today Lake Washington is down 49 (53%) boats and the River is down 39boats (39.39%). The smallest percentage drop is Potholes at 24% and second smallest is Banks at 34.9%.

 

My opinion after looking at all of this data is that participation probably has less to do with the schedule than anyone believes based on the fact that every event has been declining at almost the same rate each year since it's peak. Some events started with a larger number of participants so the end result doesn't look as bad but the fact of the matter is they are all down. I still argue that it has more to do with families and money. Some of us are getting older and busy and some of us are just broke. The curcuit went from a high in "rookie" teams (19) in 2008 to just 7 this year. Those that left have not been replaced at the same rate.

 

 That being said, if I was going to attempt to rejuvenate participation by way of schedule adjustment the statistics say that scheduling 1/2 of next years events on the second worst body of water (by participation stats) doesn't make sense.

Permalink Reply by Joel Alinen on August 17, 2012 at 10:57pm

RAIN MAN!!

Mike Bess said:

Can you please be more specific?

Josh Potter said:

I was home with a cold today and got a little nerdy. Instead of just stating an opinion, or what I "think", I decided to look at the facts of the last 5 years. It is pretty telling after you actually look at the data.

 

I looked at the turnout of the 4 constant events every year from 2008 to present. Those being Banks, Lake Washington, Potholes, and the River. Banks averaged 102.8  boats, Lake Washington 73.4 boats, Potholes 97.0 and the River 79.4 respectively. I was surprised to see that as bad as the turnout for Lake Washington was this year it has consistently turned out almost as many boats as the river every year with this year being the exception. The best Lake Washington turnout in the last 5 years was 92 boats in O9 (also the best turnout for every event in NW Bass history). The worst turnout was obviously this year at 43 boats. The best turnout for the River also in 09 was 99 boats and the worst, also this year, was 60 boats.

 

Another interesting comment I have heard a lot this year is that participation was down becuase there were 6 qualifiers. The second best boat turnout for a season was in 2008 and there were 7 qualifiers that year. The percentage drop per year for each event has been almost identical, the one exception being Lake Washington this year but it was dropping at almost identical rates as the other events up until this year.

 

The most consistent Lake for turnout regardless of the time of year has been Potholes. It doesn't seem to matter whether it is held in June or July, the turnout is almost the same. There has been as many as 108 boats in July and 99 boats in June. The least consistent based on time of year is the river. When held in June (09&10) the river drew 99&92 boats respectively. When held in July (08,11, and 12)  it drops to 76,70,and 60 respectively. That seems to be pretty clear evidence even if you throw this year out.

 

The biggest drop in participation as a percentage has been Lake Washington but a very close second has been the River. At the peak in 09 to today Lake Washington is down 49 (53%) boats and the River is down 39boats (39.39%). The smallest percentage drop is Potholes at 24% and second smallest is Banks at 34.9%.

 

My opinion after looking at all of this data is that participation probably has less to do with the schedule than anyone believes based on the fact that every event has been declining at almost the same rate each year since it's peak. Some events started with a larger number of participants so the end result doesn't look as bad but the fact of the matter is they are all down. I still argue that it has more to do with families and money. Some of us are getting older and busy and some of us are just broke. The curcuit went from a high in "rookie" teams (19) in 2008 to just 7 this year. Those that left have not been replaced at the same rate.

 

That being said, if I was going to attempt to rejuvenate participation by way of schedule adjustment the statistics say that scheduling 1/2 of next years events on the second worst body of water (by participation stats) doesn't make sense.

Permalink Reply by Jeff Grimes on August 19, 2012 at 7:18am

Maybe it wasn't a cold.....maybe it was an aneurism?

Well stated though there netboy.

Jeff

Joel Alinen said:

RAIN MAN!!

Mike Bess said:

Can you please be more specific?

Josh Potter said:

I was home with a cold today and got a little nerdy. Instead of just stating an opinion, or what I "think", I decided to look at the facts of the last 5 years. It is pretty telling after you actually look at the data.

 

I looked at the turnout of the 4 constant events every year from 2008 to present. Those being Banks, Lake Washington, Potholes, and the River. Banks averaged 102.8  boats, Lake Washington 73.4 boats, Potholes 97.0 and the River 79.4 respectively. I was surprised to see that as bad as the turnout for Lake Washington was this year it has consistently turned out almost as many boats as the river every year with this year being the exception. The best Lake Washington turnout in the last 5 years was 92 boats in O9 (also the best turnout for every event in NW Bass history). The worst turnout was obviously this year at 43 boats. The best turnout for the River also in 09 was 99 boats and the worst, also this year, was 60 boats.

 

Another interesting comment I have heard a lot this year is that participation was down becuase there were 6 qualifiers. The second best boat turnout for a season was in 2008 and there were 7 qualifiers that year. The percentage drop per year for each event has been almost identical, the one exception being Lake Washington this year but it was dropping at almost identical rates as the other events up until this year.

 

The most consistent Lake for turnout regardless of the time of year has been Potholes. It doesn't seem to matter whether it is held in June or July, the turnout is almost the same. There has been as many as 108 boats in July and 99 boats in June. The least consistent based on time of year is the river. When held in June (09&10) the river drew 99&92 boats respectively. When held in July (08,11, and 12)  it drops to 76,70,and 60 respectively. That seems to be pretty clear evidence even if you throw this year out.

 

The biggest drop in participation as a percentage has been Lake Washington but a very close second has been the River. At the peak in 09 to today Lake Washington is down 49 (53%) boats and the River is down 39boats (39.39%). The smallest percentage drop is Potholes at 24% and second smallest is Banks at 34.9%.

 

My opinion after looking at all of this data is that participation probably has less to do with the schedule than anyone believes based on the fact that every event has been declining at almost the same rate each year since it's peak. Some events started with a larger number of participants so the end result doesn't look as bad but the fact of the matter is they are all down. I still argue that it has more to do with families and money. Some of us are getting older and busy and some of us are just broke. The curcuit went from a high in "rookie" teams (19) in 2008 to just 7 this year. Those that left have not been replaced at the same rate.

 

That being said, if I was going to attempt to rejuvenate participation by way of schedule adjustment the statistics say that scheduling 1/2 of next years events on the second worst body of water (by participation stats) doesn't make sense.

Permalink Reply by D.J. LaRoche on August 20, 2012 at 9:03am

My question would be, where will the championship be held?  With the last two events on the river, I would hate to have to travel back down there for the third time.  I know the norm is to not not repeat the same venue, so Banks would, in theory be out.  Maybe Potholes?  That could be pretty cool. 

Permalink Reply by Chad Simon on August 20, 2012 at 10:28am

Do you think Potholes would play large enough in September for a championship? I herd the water is higher this year, but historically?

WCCT said:

My question would be, where will the championship be held?  With the last two events on the river, I would hate to have to travel back down there for the third time.  I know the norm is to not not repeat the same venue, so Banks would, in theory be out.  Maybe Potholes?  That could be pretty cool. 

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on August 20, 2012 at 10:39am

It is not out of the question to have repeats for the championship. We have been on the river for the champioship back to back years as well as Banks in the past. I can't imagine we would be heading back to the river for a third time in a season.

 

I don't think Potholes would have enough room to hold a championship in September. Maybe this year but I don't think you can use an aborational year like this to make future schedules. Weather has a tendancy to do weird things for a year or two and then revert back to normal patterns.

WCCT said:

My question would be, where will the championship be held?  With the last two events on the river, I would hate to have to travel back down there for the third time.  I know the norm is to not not repeat the same venue, so Banks would, in theory be out.  Maybe Potholes?  That could be pretty cool. 

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on August 20, 2012 at 10:41am

I didn't do the math in my head Joel.

Joel Alinen said:

RAIN MAN!!

Mike Bess said:

Can you please be more specific?

Josh Potter said:

I was home with a cold today and got a little nerdy. Instead of just stating an opinion, or what I "think", I decided to look at the facts of the last 5 years. It is pretty telling after you actually look at the data.

 

I looked at the turnout of the 4 constant events every year from 2008 to present. Those being Banks, Lake Washington, Potholes, and the River. Banks averaged 102.8  boats, Lake Washington 73.4 boats, Potholes 97.0 and the River 79.4 respectively. I was surprised to see that as bad as the turnout for Lake Washington was this year it has consistently turned out almost as many boats as the river every year with this year being the exception. The best Lake Washington turnout in the last 5 years was 92 boats in O9 (also the best turnout for every event in NW Bass history). The worst turnout was obviously this year at 43 boats. The best turnout for the River also in 09 was 99 boats and the worst, also this year, was 60 boats.

 

Another interesting comment I have heard a lot this year is that participation was down becuase there were 6 qualifiers. The second best boat turnout for a season was in 2008 and there were 7 qualifiers that year. The percentage drop per year for each event has been almost identical, the one exception being Lake Washington this year but it was dropping at almost identical rates as the other events up until this year.

 

The most consistent Lake for turnout regardless of the time of year has been Potholes. It doesn't seem to matter whether it is held in June or July, the turnout is almost the same. There has been as many as 108 boats in July and 99 boats in June. The least consistent based on time of year is the river. When held in June (09&10) the river drew 99&92 boats respectively. When held in July (08,11, and 12)  it drops to 76,70,and 60 respectively. That seems to be pretty clear evidence even if you throw this year out.

 

The biggest drop in participation as a percentage has been Lake Washington but a very close second has been the River. At the peak in 09 to today Lake Washington is down 49 (53%) boats and the River is down 39boats (39.39%). The smallest percentage drop is Potholes at 24% and second smallest is Banks at 34.9%.

 

My opinion after looking at all of this data is that participation probably has less to do with the schedule than anyone believes based on the fact that every event has been declining at almost the same rate each year since it's peak. Some events started with a larger number of participants so the end result doesn't look as bad but the fact of the matter is they are all down. I still argue that it has more to do with families and money. Some of us are getting older and busy and some of us are just broke. The curcuit went from a high in "rookie" teams (19) in 2008 to just 7 this year. Those that left have not been replaced at the same rate.

 

That being said, if I was going to attempt to rejuvenate participation by way of schedule adjustment the statistics say that scheduling 1/2 of next years events on the second worst body of water (by participation stats) doesn't make sense.

Permalink Reply by D.J. LaRoche on August 20, 2012 at 12:04pm

I guess you are right about Potholes not having enough water that time of year.  It would fish pretty small.  I would love to see the championship somewhere new.  Maybe Couer d'alene since that had such a positive response earlier in the year.  Either way, doesn't really matter, at least we still get to fish!

Permalink Reply by Jon Sessler on August 21, 2012 at 8:04am

Truth be told, your daughter probably did it for you. 

Josh Potter said:

I didn't do the math in my head Joel.

Joel Alinen said:

RAIN MAN!!

Mike Bess said:

Can you please be more specific?

Permalink Reply by Joel Alinen on August 24, 2012 at 11:51pm

246 right Potter:-)

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHaYwTxDfmHU...

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