Any good health care stories out there?

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Caffrey on November 1, 2013 at 6:56pm

Jake please don't try and tell me how I should feel. I'll tell you how I feel if I choose to do so; and I do, and did. I will clarify that I am happy paying 52 bucks a month for good insurance. It is well worth it.  

On another note I am on your side on this. That it is a bad plan. 67% of Americans will be affected negatively. I suppose I am one of them. No doubt my rates HAVE increased. I feel that it is a small amount though, (at least in my case) and I still feel like I get good insurance at a good price.

Permalink Reply by Jake Anderson on November 2, 2013 at 8:02am

Im not telling you how to feel. Im urging you to re-examine your conclusion. :-)

I do understand that you are content with the value of your insurance. Im not trying to change your feelings there.

This thread oughtta be fun to revisit after this law has really established itself. The indifferent attitudes are going to turn into rage, when someone's kid gets diagnosed with leukymia and cant get into see a specialist for 7 months.

Regardless of the "misinformation" there are many precedents for socialized healthcare. In every instance the care is a vast downgrade compared to what we've grown accustomed to in the US. American ignorance and ethnocentricity will have us thinking that wont hapen here.

Permalink Reply by Daniel Caffrey on November 2, 2013 at 8:43am

Dana,

I've read Jake's words, yeah I know he's a good guy. But dude, seriously you need to take some reading comprehension classes.

Permalink Reply by Joe Boyd on November 2, 2013 at 10:03am

You're sure a master of the snappy comeback, aren't you Dana?  

Dana Steiner said:

Daniel,

I'm not sure you are really getting this. The fallout will not be felt for years to come. You are a guy saying hooray for me and screw the rest. Not a member of my team! Jake is a very good man, you should take time to understand what he brings. Not supporting your stance on this and don't really give a hoot if you care. Matter of fact, I'm telling the rest of you Liberal thumb sucking PUSSIES to kiss off.
 
Daniel Caffrey said:

Jake please don't try and tell me how I should feel. I'll tell you how I feel if I choose to do so; and I do, and did. I will clarify that I am happy paying 52 bucks a month for good insurance. It is well worth it.  

On another note I am on your side on this. That it is a bad plan. 67% of Americans will be affected negatively. I suppose I am one of them. No doubt my rates HAVE increased. I feel that it is a small amount though, (at least in my case) and I still feel like I get good insurance at a good price.

Permalink Reply by Joe Boyd on November 2, 2013 at 10:23am

We've had socialized medicine for years, Jake.  Visit any emergency room and you'll find it full of poor people seeking medical care.  The expenses incurred are passed on to us, which is why a box of Kleenex costs $35 when you're in the hospital.  When my wife was diagnosed with dementia, she was dropped from my coverage because it was determined she had the early signs before I renewed my policy, which made her condition a pre-existing one.  I didn't have to "wait seven months" to see a doctor, but I had to pay premiums for somewhere in the neighborhood of six to nine months before I could get her back on my plan.  And guess who had to pay for her care during that time?  It will be interesting to see how this shakes out; we have a democratic administration now, and, if the republicans continue to  circle the drain, we thumb-sucking pussies will be in charge at least until 2021.  This is what happens when you sit back, whine, blame others for your own ineptness, comment on things you don't understand, and do nothing else.   

Jake "The Snake" Anderson said:

Im not telling you how to feel. Im urging you to re-examine your conclusion. :-)

I do understand that you are content with the value of your insurance. Im not trying to change your feelings there.

This thread oughtta be fun to revisit after this law has really established itself. The indifferent attitudes are going to turn into rage, when someone's kid gets diagnosed with leukymia and cant get into see a specialist for 7 months.

Regardless of the "misinformation" there are many precedents for socialized healthcare. In every instance the care is a vast downgrade compared to what we've grown accustomed to in the US. American ignorance and ethnocentricity will have us thinking that wont hapen here.

Permalink Reply by Daniel Caffrey on November 2, 2013 at 1:56pm

Jeff,

Thank you for reading the entire post before commenting. You know where I stand on this. The answer to your question is yes I would stand on the side of the workers, and vote for what is best. This plan is designed to insure the uninsured; but what is really happening is the insured are becoming the uninsured. You said I have made some smart decisions in life also which I appreciate; however I'm about to go fishing in a wind storm in my small boat on a small lake.(maybe not a smart decision) HAHAH wish me luck I think I'm gonna need it!

Permalink Reply by Joe Boyd on November 2, 2013 at 2:40pm

Simple question?  You were baiting me and you know it. All you had to do was read the post, it would have answered everything.  I don't just "try," I keep at it until I succeed.  It doesn't take much effort to sit and call people names, any "thumb-sucking pussy" can do that.  I've been thrown out of meetings, spent hours writing letters to governmental representatives, and days actually dissecting and analyzing specific laws, bills, and proposals.  Until you can do the same, keep your cheap shots to yourself.

Permalink Reply by Joe Boyd on November 2, 2013 at 3:56pm

I bet that's not all you're feeling.  Maybe if you gave some rational thought to your posts you might be viewed differently, rather than just a pompous blowhard who complains about everything and does nothing.   

Permalink Reply by Jake Anderson on November 2, 2013 at 5:53pm

Joe,

I respect greatly that you put your life in harms way to protect our rights.   What I don't get is that this country was founded by people who didn't want their lives influenced by big government and established a country that rose to the top because there were no handouts.  You either sank or swim, so people swam! People came to ellis island, learned the language and worked their ass off for everything they got.

Now you want to submit to an administration that wants everyone to get a handout, press #2 for espanol, so they just barely stay afloat and don't strive for more than that.  I don't get why someone who fought for something so great, can support concepts that erode what made america the best place to be.  

Healthcare needed an overhaul.  Examples like yours are a great example.  My father in law who fought in vietnam and has kidney failure, has terrible health care from the VA.  His wife has NO HEALTHCARE!  That is a joke.  It needs a ton of improvement.....but there are better ways than this hurried, crammed down our throats garbage, in which our "rock star" socialite president just wants to piss all over something and get his name in lights. 

What discredits you is the fact that you think you are "all knowing" and everyone else doesn't know squat because you said so.

This thread wasn't supposed to really be about where you stand politically....I was simply wondering if any GOOD stories exist....and to have something to look back on in a few years...

Its funny....   In war, a brave few fight to preserve the way of life for Millions.  In Obamacare, a minority of people have a happy story at the cost of the rest.  I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong, or I'm spewing partisan propaganda.

Keep in mind, I am on the front lines of this law.  I'm seeing things you aren't privy to.  I've never been one to believe internet message board fodder, but be equally as careful what you dismiss.

Permalink Reply by Joe Boyd on November 2, 2013 at 8:10pm

Dana Steiner said:

Jeff / Jake,

First off, let me say that I respect your opinions and willingness to contribute to this subject. It will be heated and create quite an emotional response for those that truly care. My online spat with Joe Boyd has created no disrespect on my part towards Joe Boyd. On the contrary, I feel that constructive difference of opinions challenge the mind. Joe Boyd is a man that works hard to challenge politicians, in hopes of making a better America. I may not see eye to eye with Joe, but the reality is that we are both striving for the same results. I'm O.K. with Joe calling me a pompous ASS, my goal is to stir the emotion of the hard working American.

I would really like to see more members contribute to this discussion.

 

 

 

 
Jake "The Snake" Anderson said:

Joe,

I respect greatly that you put your life in harms way to protect our rights.   What I don't get is that this country was founded by people who didn't want their lives influenced by big government and established a country that rose to the top because there were no handouts.  You either sank or swim, so people swam! People came to ellis island, learned the language and worked their ass off for everything they got.

Now you want to submit to an administration that wants everyone to get a handout, press #2 for espanol, so they just barely stay afloat and don't strive for more than that.  I don't get why someone who fought for something so great, can support concepts that erode what made america the best place to be.  

Healthcare needed an overhaul.  Examples like yours are a great example.  My father in law who fought in vietnam and has kidney failure, has terrible health care from the VA.  His wife has NO HEALTHCARE!  That is a joke.  It needs a ton of improvement.....but there are better ways than this hurried, crammed down our throats garbage, in which our "rock star" socialite president just wants to piss all over something and get his name in lights. 

What discredits you is the fact that you think you are "all knowing" and everyone else doesn't know squat because you said so.

This thread wasn't supposed to really be about where you stand politically....I was simply wondering if any GOOD stories exist....and to have something to look back on in a few years...

Its funny....   In war, a brave few fight to preserve the way of life for Millions.  In Obamacare, a minority of people have a happy story at the cost of the rest.  I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong, or I'm spewing partisan propaganda.

Keep in mind, I am on the front lines of this law.  I'm seeing things you aren't privy to.  I've never been one to believe internet message board fodder, but be equally as careful what you dismiss.

I'm not dismissing anything, Jake, but what makes me very angry is the fact that everyone wants to dump the program, but no one wants to come up with an alternative.  If you go back in time, one of the architects of this current plan was the Heritage Foundation.  The lefties wanted to tack on another appendage to our Medicare tax to provide health care for all.  The republicans countered with a free market concept, where private insurers would provide the care, with possibly subsidized premiums.  McCain was ready to introduce this when he became President--didn't happen.  Remember when Bush introduced Medicare D?  The website crashed, the democrats hated it, but the republicans pleaded with the public to give them a chance, let them work it out.  The democrats weren't happy, but they went to their constituents and worked with them so they could get coverage. Now Medicare D is a fact--an unfunded fact. Fast forward to 2009--the republicans--and remember, this program had a large republican contribution and was going to be enacted when McCain won the election--suddenly hate this Act because they lost the election.  Moreover, they're willing to sacrifice the citizens of this country just so they have a shot at gaining control of at least one more arm of government.  If they truly believed in the democratic process, they would be working to resolve the glitches. Obama was re-elected primarily because the majority of Americans wanted affordable health care.   

Sorry Jake, but I'm the one who's been accused of spewing partisan propaganda; I have been called everything from a muslim terrorist to liar who manipulates numbers to the very reason this country is going to the dogs--and those are the names I can list on this board without getting into trouble.  Several years ago, I was sitting in the break room, listening to a conversation three of my co-workers were having--basically they hated the Clinton family.  One of the ladies said: "name one thing Bill Clinton has ever done for the family."  Like a fool, I thought she really was looking for an answer.  When I replied "the family leave act," she glared at me, left, then filed a sexual harrassment complaint against me.   She was eventually reprimanded, but my point is: no one seems to really want to work together for the greater good.  It's easier to be angry than informed, but where does that get us?  And why does this always come down to someone upset over government handouts?  I went to college on the GI Bill, I borrowed money to buy my first house, and when my wife went on dialysis, we got assistance there as well.  My wife and I are currently saving the state some money by fostering a four year-old, which makes us eligible for WIC. Does that make me one of the takers? And Dana, I called you a pompous blowhard.  There's a difference.   I don't know everything, but I know more than most.   

Permalink Reply by Joe Boyd on November 2, 2013 at 8:26pm

Jeff, I'm not sure I understand, but if you're asking me if the lawmakers should be exempt from the act, the answer is No. That's a myth that's been banging around the internet for several months. Here's a link to support that:http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/congress-and-an-exemption-from-oba...  I know your earlier post said something about being forced to buy insurance.  If you own a car or a mortgage you are required to have insurance for those items. This is nothing new.  I question everything by everyone. 

Jeff McBroom said:

Joe,

I want to start off by saying that although I do not agree with some of your views, I do respect them.  As a fellow serviceman, I appreciate all you have sacrificed for this country of ours. I will also give you credit for being informed enough to back up your argument and not just spouting off party line propaganda.

With that being said, I hope you and I can have a healthy debate on this subject. We have to start somewhere so here it goes.

1. Would you agree that any elected official that is passing laws that will affect our country's future and an individuals rights should not be able to EXEMPT THEMSELVES from that law?? I believe they SHOULD NOT be able to exempt themselves since the laws they are passing would have less of an impact on their own lifes.

Permalink Reply by Joe Boyd on November 2, 2013 at 8:29pm

Kisses.
Dana Steiner said:

Love you Joe.
 
Joe Boyd said:

I bet that's not all you're feeling.  Maybe if you gave some rational thought to your posts you might be viewed differently, rather than just a pompous blowhard who complains about everything and does nothing.   

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