Frogs

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Permalink Reply by Graham Dahl on June 17, 2009 at 7:24am

From the 'did you know' file...did you know that although we can't see through lilly pads when looking down upon them, from underneath they are transparent? Maybe this is common knowledge but I just found it out recently. So next time you pull that frog over that opening in the pads, just know Mr. Bass has been watching it for a good part of your cast.

Permalink Reply by S Hwang on June 17, 2009 at 10:31am

Yea the best hits (although I always seem to miss these sets) are when they watch it for a while and come completely through the pads and try to land on the frog from the top down. They can definitely tell whats going on up there.

Graham Dahl said:

From the 'did you know' file...did you know that although we can't see through lilly pads when looking down upon them, from underneath they are transparent? Maybe this is common knowledge but I just found it out recently. So next time you pull that frog over that opening in the pads, just know Mr. Bass has been watching it for a good part of your cast.

Permalink Reply by Eric DeLay on June 17, 2009 at 10:42am

That is interesting. I was just assuming they were tracking the movement of the pads when the bait was out of the water and didn't realize they could see the actual silhouette of the bait when it was sitting on a pad.
Just out of curiousity Graham, how did you figure this out?

Graham Dahl said:

From the 'did you know' file...did you know that although we can't see through lilly pads when looking down upon them, from underneath they are transparent? Maybe this is common knowledge but I just found it out recently. So next time you pull that frog over that opening in the pads, just know Mr. Bass has been watching it for a good part of your cast.

Permalink Reply by Eric DeLay on June 17, 2009 at 10:45am

Inserting "over 6 pounds" into that sentence only marginally helps.

Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:

I meant over 6 pounds on that one.... ooops

Eric DeLay said:

I can vouch for that. I have a pic of a frog Mike casted the legs off of.
And since Tag recommends it I am buying four more Loomis frog rods so I will have five.

Do you like my 7'11" flippin stick for frogging Dr Hobbs?

My favorite comment was:
"I guess If I fished more places where the fish were more fish over I might start looking at a different rod"
Did you steal T Dot's stash Ron?



Mike Bess said:

Tag,
How far do you throw the frog? I ask because if 50lb gives you more distance, you must be able to throw it a mile. I guess I don't have an issue with 65lb because of my awesome upper body strength.

Tag Watson said:

Hey Eric,

Frogging is hands down my favorite technique and I also consider it my best technique. Since I enjoy it so much, I have worked hard to try and dial in the finer points of the technique to maximize my success.

I have tried many of the hollow body and soft body frogs on the market. For the hollow body frogs, my favorites are the River2Sea Bully Wa (best walking frog), Spro Bronzeye (best combination of castability, durability and hook up ratio that I have found). I have caught some quality fish on the Deps Basirisky but I don't throw it a ton. I know that the Optimums and Snag Proofs have quite a following as well. I really like the hook up ratio on the Snag Proof, but at 1/2 oz. I can't cast it as well as I can the River2Sea (5/8 oz. and 3/4 oz.) or the Spro (5/8 oz.). The Optimum looks good, I just haven't given it a run.

For soft body frogs I like to experiment to see which action and profile the fish prefer on a given day. I like the Gambler Cane Toad, Zoom Horny Toad, Strike King Rage Shad and Rage Toad, Reaction Innovations Trixie Shark and Yamamoto Kreature (fished like a topwater frog).

I typically have 3 to 4 frog rods rigged and alternate between soft body and hollow body frogs depending on the fish's preference, conditions and cover.

Permalink Reply by Chad Eidson on June 17, 2009 at 4:36pm

I'm not near the expert that the previous guys are but I thought I would chime in. I have been hammering the fish the last couple weeks throwing frogs. I prefer to throw the R2S but have caught some good fish on thte new Rojas popping frog(spro). I to throw it on 50 pound braid(power pro) and have caught a ton of good fish during the absolute heat of the day. Thats one of the reasons I love to throw frogs so much is they get the big bite and they get bit all day long.
I did manage to stick a 3 pound smallie on the R2S last night to.

Permalink Reply by Troy Pattillo on June 17, 2009 at 4:54pm

What timing. I have been throwing the Swamp Donkey the last couple weeks without success on Union in open water. Actually expecting the R2S BW before week's end so it looks like I need to re-spool a reel for a toon trip. Hopefully the little lake I'm heading to has some decent fish in it.
Not having an actual 'froggin' rod, will a flippin stick work? The tip is ex-fast and the rod is rated to 1.5oz. If nothing else, I'll take Hobbs' advice and just go in after any fish I can't yard out of the muck, if any fish actually make an appearance. The pad transparency tip is awesome. I was curious the other day up on Cassidy how the fish knew exactly when to blow up.

Permalink Reply by Ronald Hobbs, Jr. on June 17, 2009 at 6:14pm

Well you need alot more than this thread to even come close to the amount of help that you need.

Eric DeLay said:

Inserting "over 6 pounds" into that sentence only marginally helps.

Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:

I meant over 6 pounds on that one.... ooops

Eric DeLay said:

I can vouch for that. I have a pic of a frog Mike casted the legs off of.
And since Tag recommends it I am buying four more Loomis frog rods so I will have five.

Do you like my 7'11" flippin stick for frogging Dr Hobbs?

My favorite comment was:
"I guess If I fished more places where the fish were more fish over I might start looking at a different rod"
Did you steal T Dot's stash Ron?



Mike Bess said:

Tag,
How far do you throw the frog? I ask because if 50lb gives you more distance, you must be able to throw it a mile. I guess I don't have an issue with 65lb because of my awesome upper body strength.

Tag Watson said:

Hey Eric,

Frogging is hands down my favorite technique and I also consider it my best technique. Since I enjoy it so much, I have worked hard to try and dial in the finer points of the technique to maximize my success.

I have tried many of the hollow body and soft body frogs on the market. For the hollow body frogs, my favorites are the River2Sea Bully Wa (best walking frog), Spro Bronzeye (best combination of castability, durability and hook up ratio that I have found). I have caught some quality fish on the Deps Basirisky but I don't throw it a ton. I know that the Optimums and Snag Proofs have quite a following as well. I really like the hook up ratio on the Snag Proof, but at 1/2 oz. I can't cast it as well as I can the River2Sea (5/8 oz. and 3/4 oz.) or the Spro (5/8 oz.). The Optimum looks good, I just haven't given it a run.

For soft body frogs I like to experiment to see which action and profile the fish prefer on a given day. I like the Gambler Cane Toad, Zoom Horny Toad, Strike King Rage Shad and Rage Toad, Reaction Innovations Trixie Shark and Yamamoto Kreature (fished like a topwater frog).

I typically have 3 to 4 frog rods rigged and alternate between soft body and hollow body frogs depending on the fish's preference, conditions and cover.

Permalink Reply by Eric DeLay on June 17, 2009 at 6:20pm

Alot is not one word.
You know I am very sensitive. Don't set me off again.


Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:

Well you need alot more than this thread to even come close to the amount of help that you need.

Eric DeLay said:

Inserting "over 6 pounds" into that sentence only marginally helps.

Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:

I meant over 6 pounds on that one.... ooops

Eric DeLay said:

I can vouch for that. I have a pic of a frog Mike casted the legs off of.
And since Tag recommends it I am buying four more Loomis frog rods so I will have five.

Do you like my 7'11" flippin stick for frogging Dr Hobbs?

My favorite comment was:
"I guess If I fished more places where the fish were more fish over I might start looking at a different rod"
Did you steal T Dot's stash Ron?



Mike Bess said:

Tag,
How far do you throw the frog? I ask because if 50lb gives you more distance, you must be able to throw it a mile. I guess I don't have an issue with 65lb because of my awesome upper body strength.

Tag Watson said:

Hey Eric,

Frogging is hands down my favorite technique and I also consider it my best technique. Since I enjoy it so much, I have worked hard to try and dial in the finer points of the technique to maximize my success.

I have tried many of the hollow body and soft body frogs on the market. For the hollow body frogs, my favorites are the River2Sea Bully Wa (best walking frog), Spro Bronzeye (best combination of castability, durability and hook up ratio that I have found). I have caught some quality fish on the Deps Basirisky but I don't throw it a ton. I know that the Optimums and Snag Proofs have quite a following as well. I really like the hook up ratio on the Snag Proof, but at 1/2 oz. I can't cast it as well as I can the River2Sea (5/8 oz. and 3/4 oz.) or the Spro (5/8 oz.). The Optimum looks good, I just haven't given it a run.

For soft body frogs I like to experiment to see which action and profile the fish prefer on a given day. I like the Gambler Cane Toad, Zoom Horny Toad, Strike King Rage Shad and Rage Toad, Reaction Innovations Trixie Shark and Yamamoto Kreature (fished like a topwater frog).

I typically have 3 to 4 frog rods rigged and alternate between soft body and hollow body frogs depending on the fish's preference, conditions and cover.

Permalink Reply by Mike Bess on June 17, 2009 at 10:50pm

You two need to get along in the morning or I refuse to guide you guys.

Permalink Reply by Graham Dahl on June 18, 2009 at 6:51am

I can't claim any great discovery. I saw it on "Hook and Look"... show where they spend a fair bit of time taking underwater footage. They had the poor camera man swimming on his back in 5 feet of weed infested water filming the pads from underneath. They are opaque, but you could clearly see a frog being fished over them for a considerable distance.

Eric DeLay said:

That is interesting. I was just assuming they were tracking the movement of the pads when the bait was out of the water and didn't realize they could see the actual silhouette of the bait when it was sitting on a pad.
Just out of curiousity Graham, how did you figure this out?

Graham Dahl said:

From the 'did you know' file...did you know that although we can't see through lilly pads when looking down upon them, from underneath they are transparent? Maybe this is common knowledge but I just found it out recently. So next time you pull that frog over that opening in the pads, just know Mr. Bass has been watching it for a good part of your cast.

Permalink Reply by Marc Marcantonio on June 18, 2009 at 10:46pm

You just can't beat a Bobby's Perfect Frog with a Gamakatsu Frog Hook. I have no problem getting this frog to walk, and at the same time it sits tail down and low in the water. The bass really slam these and I often have to use the needlenose pliers to get them out since they are in so deep.

I have no problem casting them far with 65 lb McCoy braid, using a Lamiglas Magnum Grass Rod. I tie a double Palomar which is quick and does't slip. When you get the blow-up reel as fast as you can until your rod tip loads up, and then set the hook! This gives you a long enough pause for the fish to be at a better angle, and your rod and line will be in a better position to get a strong hookset.

One reason I love this setup is that I can cast it into any cover, no matter how thick. If I can get the frog to land on water, I can often get a hookup on a bass I couldn't get to with any other lure.

This is also a great lure for a coangler to use during tourneys while the guy in the front is pitching and flipping. You can't get backseated with a Snag Proof frog, 65 lb braid and a Magnum Grass Rod!

Love to frog fish!!

ciao,
Marc
P.S. Smallies do love them also.

Permalink Reply by Eric DeLay on June 21, 2009 at 1:25pm

Another first.

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