Fish on the first cast?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Hastings on August 6, 2010 at 9:50am

Chris, good question, makes me think of the word conundrum..... so here's my conjecture. If you figure that all fish in a given area are at varying levels of aggressiveness, meaning like all creatures we are not all as aggressive as one another, there has to be a "One" most agressive fish in an area. The shallower the area the less water for fish to be present in and the amount of cover and forage can dramatically reduce that area as habitat even further, reducing the number of aggressive fish.. So on a flat, you may only have a limited number of "Most aggressive fish that bite your offering". This might explain the first cast, fish caught result. I too have had the same experience, and did at Riffe also.
I've theorized that what turns the fish off, whether its a lost fish or returning a caught fish, is the behavior of the fish once its back amongst the others. No it not a secret hand shake or the fish screaming bloody murder "Its fishermen RUNNN!! This behavior or body language would be more analogous to that kid in the classroom that gets a tongue lashing from the teacher and all the other kids get silent, in that the fish mirror the behavior of the caught fish... and also maybe because its the "Most agressive Alpha fish" like many other species.
In that situation all you can really do is change your presentation, if what your doing has become ignored or leave and come back later. To go find that next Most Agressive fish in an area is the trick, I have not mastered. Easier said than done as evidenced by my results on Riffe.

Permalink Reply by BigBass Dez on August 6, 2010 at 9:52am

Chris , wazzz up bro !

Hey man Jeff and i lost our net during blastoff on riffe also ..lol I got too watch 2 fish jump right out my hand back into the water that saturday , bummer ! Now as far fish on the first cast goes , well i have always been told that was a bad thing , At this point in life i dont buy into that theory i think its just a mental game that anglers play with themselves way too often ..lol

As for your lost fish chris , i do believe that bass release some sort of mechanism that warns other bass if not all fish that "Danger chris is here again" ...I became aware of such activity about 12 years ago fishing for crappie and in the south . Whenever i got on a school of crappie and caught a couple , after i immediately released them near that same school all of the crappie would shut down for awhile ! hmmm , good question

Permalink Reply by S Hwang on August 6, 2010 at 9:58am

Big lake will always haunt me because of this. I still haven't caught a fish out of there after my first cast I lost one on a spinnerbait. Hooked/followed/lost a bunch of fish since but I'm pretty sure I haven't actually brought a fish to hand there and I blame that first fish.

Permalink Reply by Mike Bess on August 6, 2010 at 10:34am

Chris,
My advice is to land the first fish hooked..

Permalink Reply by Chris Lambert on August 6, 2010 at 1:21pm

Thanks Mike. You are wise beyond your years!

Mike Bess said:

Chris,
My advice is to land the first fish hooked..

Permalink Reply by Chris Lambert on August 6, 2010 at 1:33pm

I know for sure that schooled up smallies will alert the school if they are released or lost and they go back to the group. This is why "some people" end up with 20 or 30 fish in their live wells during team tournaments before they leave a group of fish so they can cull.

BigBass Dez said:

Chris , wazzz up bro !

Hey man Jeff and i lost our net during blastoff on riffe also ..lol I got too watch 2 fish jump right out my hand back into the water that saturday , bummer ! Now as far fish on the first cast goes , well i have always been told that was a bad thing , At this point in life i dont buy into that theory i think its just a mental game that anglers play with themselves way too often ..lol

As for your lost fish chris , i do believe that bass release some sort of mechanism that warns other bass if not all fish that "Danger chris is here again" ...I became aware of such activity about 12 years ago fishing for crappie and in the south . Whenever i got on a school of crappie and caught a couple , after i immediately released them near that same school all of the crappie would shut down for awhile ! hmmm , good question

Permalink Reply by Mike Bess on August 6, 2010 at 1:55pm

Thanks Chris. I tried to give Sessler advice once but he's a lost cause. So is his partner Brian.

Chris Lambert said:

Thanks Mike. You are wise beyond your years!

Mike Bess said:

Chris,
My advice is to land the first fish hooked..

Permalink Reply by Chris Lambert on August 6, 2010 at 2:05pm

Some people just don't appreciate true genius!

Mike Bess said:

Thanks Chris. I tried to give Sessler advice once but he's a lost cause. So is his partner Brian.

Chris Lambert said:

Thanks Mike. You are wise beyond your years!

Mike Bess said:

Chris,
My advice is to land the first fish hooked..

Permalink Reply by Chris Lambert on August 6, 2010 at 2:06pm

I know you're trying to confuse me with all of the big words. Just remember....130!

Steve Hastings said:

Chris, good question, makes me think of the word conundrum..... so here's my conjecture. If you figure that all fish in a given area are at varying levels of aggressiveness, meaning like all creatures we are not all as aggressive as one another, there has to be a "One" most agressive fish in an area. The shallower the area the less water for fish to be present in and the amount of cover and forage can dramatically reduce that area as habitat even further, reducing the number of aggressive fish.. So on a flat, you may only have a limited number of "Most aggressive fish that bite your offering". This might explain the first cast, fish caught result. I too have had the same experience, and did at Riffe also.
I've theorized that what turns the fish off, whether its a lost fish or returning a caught fish, is the behavior of the fish once its back amongst the others. No it not a secret hand shake or the fish screaming bloody murder "Its fishermen RUNNN!! This behavior or body language would be more analogous to that kid in the classroom that gets a tongue lashing from the teacher and all the other kids get silent, in that the fish mirror the behavior of the caught fish... and also maybe because its the "Most agressive Alpha fish" like many other species.
In that situation all you can really do is change your presentation, if what your doing has become ignored or leave and come back later. To go find that next Most Agressive fish in an area is the trick, I have not mastered. Easier said than done as evidenced by my results on Riffe.

Permalink Reply by BigBass Dez on August 6, 2010 at 2:08pm

WoW , i know that goes against tourney rules in most cases ! I can certainly understand how it would benifit the angler in regards to dealing with a school of bass However, "phuck dat" cheating is cheating period ..lol !!

Chris Lambert said:

I know for sure that schooled up smallies will alert the school if they are released or lost and they go back to the group. This is why "some people" end up with 20 or 30 fish in their live wells during team tournaments before they leave a group of fish so they can cull.

BigBass Dez said:

Chris , wazzz up bro !

Hey man Jeff and i lost our net during blastoff on riffe also ..lol I got too watch 2 fish jump right out my hand back into the water that saturday , bummer ! Now as far fish on the first cast goes , well i have always been told that was a bad thing , At this point in life i dont buy into that theory i think its just a mental game that anglers play with themselves way too often ..lol

As for your lost fish chris , i do believe that bass release some sort of mechanism that warns other bass if not all fish that "Danger chris is here again" ...I became aware of such activity about 12 years ago fishing for crappie and in the south . Whenever i got on a school of crappie and caught a couple , after i immediately released them near that same school all of the crappie would shut down for awhile ! hmmm , good question

Permalink Reply by Mike Bess on August 6, 2010 at 2:38pm

Its my cross to bear.....

Chris Lambert said:

Some people just don't appreciate true genius!

Mike Bess said:

Thanks Chris. I tried to give Sessler advice once but he's a lost cause. So is his partner Brian.

Chris Lambert said:

Thanks Mike. You are wise beyond your years!

Mike Bess said:

Chris,
My advice is to land the first fish hooked..

Permalink Reply by Steve Hastings on August 6, 2010 at 8:28pm

Sorry forgot it was 130.... here, I'll replace that big word with a little one....
conjecture=BS


Chris Lambert said:

I know you're trying to confuse me with all of the big words. Just remember....130!

Steve Hastings said:

Chris, good question, makes me think of the word conundrum..... so here's my conjecture. If you figure that all fish in a given area are at varying levels of aggressiveness, meaning like all creatures we are not all as aggressive as one another, there has to be a "One" most agressive fish in an area. The shallower the area the less water for fish to be present in and the amount of cover and forage can dramatically reduce that area as habitat even further, reducing the number of aggressive fish.. So on a flat, you may only have a limited number of "Most aggressive fish that bite your offering". This might explain the first cast, fish caught result. I too have had the same experience, and did at Riffe also.
I've theorized that what turns the fish off, whether its a lost fish or returning a caught fish, is the behavior of the fish once its back amongst the others. No it not a secret hand shake or the fish screaming bloody murder "Its fishermen RUNNN!! This behavior or body language would be more analogous to that kid in the classroom that gets a tongue lashing from the teacher and all the other kids get silent, in that the fish mirror the behavior of the caught fish... and also maybe because its the "Most agressive Alpha fish" like many other species.
In that situation all you can really do is change your presentation, if what your doing has become ignored or leave and come back later. To go find that next Most Agressive fish in an area is the trick, I have not mastered. Easier said than done as evidenced by my results on Riffe.