Rod Characteristics Ranking

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Permalink Reply by Lloyd on December 16, 2010 at 8:57am

Finally a topic with some meat to it.

I spoke with the lady and this is what we came up with

1. Length- Needs to be plenty long - 10-12" is the shortest...anything over is a bonus.

2. Girth- Some say this is more important than length but we rank it #2.

3. Rigidity- One could argue that this should be#1 because if you dont have some rigidity you are over on the bench watching from the sidelines. Some of the older anglers on here like Russ know about this.

4. Technique- This is another that could rank higher because you can have the ultimate weapon in your hand but if you don't know how to put it to use it is worthless.

 

Ciao,

Lloyd

 

 

 

 

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on December 16, 2010 at 9:49am

PJ- No offense but the your criteria is sort of retarded without sensitivity. You can't buy a really heavy rod that is really sensitive at the same time. My 300 pound girlfriend is supe hot. Doesn't make sense does it?

Permalink Reply by P.J. Koshi on December 16, 2010 at 10:17am

Josh I see what you mean! I really wanted to get at ergonomics more than sensitivity! There is no argument that sensitivity for bass is king! Like you said, a heavy rod won't be sensitive.  But like Ron mentioned lighter usually equals more sensitive, but he ranked weight lower because when he buys a rod that meets his top criteria it is 100% of the time very light and I'm guessing quite sensitive.  I also wanted to see things like if anyone had a length preference and why??? What's is with the east coast fishing with all 6'6" or shorter they would have to rank length pretty high since it sounds like they are pretty exclusive???  

Josh Potter said:

PJ- No offense but the your criteria is sort of retarded without sensitivity. You can't buy a really heavy rod that is really sensitive at the same time. My 300 pound girlfriend is supe hot. Doesn't make sense does it?

Permalink Reply by Pat on December 16, 2010 at 2:57pm

ergonomics that is so 1990's

why doesn't anyone use the pistol grip anymore

P.J. Koshi said:

Josh I see what you mean! I really wanted to get at ergonomics more than sensitivity! There is no argument that sensitivity for bass is king! Like you said, a heavy rod won't be sensitive.  But like Ron mentioned lighter usually equals more sensitive, but he ranked weight lower because when he buys a rod that meets his top criteria it is 100% of the time very light and I'm guessing quite sensitive.  I also wanted to see things like if anyone had a length preference and why??? What's is with the east coast fishing with all 6'6" or shorter they would have to rank length pretty high since it sounds like they are pretty exclusive???  

Josh Potter said:

PJ- No offense but the your criteria is sort of retarded without sensitivity. You can't buy a really heavy rod that is really sensitive at the same time. My 300 pound girlfriend is supe hot. Doesn't make sense does it?

Permalink Reply by Joel Alinen on December 16, 2010 at 8:03pm

Josh I think the point is all of these things in PJ's criteria are what makes a rod sensitive???

Josh Potter said:

PJ- No offense but the your criteria is sort of retarded without sensitivity. You can't buy a really heavy rod that is really sensitive at the same time. My 300 pound girlfriend is supe hot. Doesn't make sense does it?

Permalink Reply by Aaron Christel on December 16, 2010 at 10:22pm

Rod sensitivity is an effect of the material that it is composed of.  It is a consiquence that usually lighter materials transfer vibrations better than heavier materials, but they are not mutually exclusive.  Due to the fact that most light weight graphite is very good at transfering vibration, it creates a more sensitive rod.  But, there are heavy materials that can transfer vibration well too.  Don't think that light weight always equals sensitive, it is usually just the quality of the graphite used is sensitive and also light weight.  Example:  I have a Fenwick light action rod that I use for fun fishing four pound test in the winter when fish don't fight hard.  The rod weighs next to nothing, but I usually don't feel any bites, just weight.  This is due to the low modulous of the graphite in the rod.  But, a 3 lb smallie kicks my but on it even in January, so I use it on occasion just for fun factor.  I would never use it in a tournament.

Ultimatly, what makes a graphite rod sensitive is the modulouse of the graphite, and then subtract sensitivity for the pieces of the rod that absorb vibration (cork, glue, line guides, ect.)  The modulous of the graphite refers to the size of the strands of graphite that are woven together to create the blank.  Like electricity that travels over the surface of copper wires, vibration traveles over the surface of the graphite strands. 

Joel Alinen said:

Josh I think the point is all of these things in PJ's criteria are what makes a rod sensitive???

Josh Potter said:

PJ- No offense but the your criteria is sort of retarded without sensitivity. You can't buy a really heavy rod that is really sensitive at the same time. My 300 pound girlfriend is supe hot. Doesn't make sense does it?

Permalink Reply by Mark Maderos on December 17, 2010 at 8:18am

Here's my list.

Balance,  a well balanced rod helps so much through out the day.  Makes for more accurate casting, better presentation, less fatigue.

 

Length,  Pretty obvious that the wrong size rod will just about hamper everything else when it come to fishing it.

 

Weight, most quality rods today are relatively light and a proper balance makes them seem even lighter.

 

Components.  Again most quality rods are built with good to great components.  Having a rod built right add to the aesthetics and durability of the rod.

 

Handle.  There are just a couple of techniques that I can think of that handle length plays a part in the decision making process.  I use mostly Powell's which are split handles and corkless fore grips.  I like them, but it wasn't really part of decision process in selecting them.

 

Mark

Permalink Reply by P.J. Koshi on December 17, 2010 at 8:36am

I know quite a bit about the different qualities of blank, the latest resins, and different wrapping techniques that go into blanks Aaron... But I was curious about these aspects because I feel like the engineering/ergonomics of the rod i.e. the things that I mentioned do factor into the overall sensitivity of the rod when you are fishing with it.  Did you know that several rod manufacturers cut down on weight of their blanks by simply making the diameter of the blanks they use larger in the area closer to the handle?  I think if a rod is light, and well balanced it shouldn't have to be slightly wider than one that weighs more, but I own several that probably fall into this category and I like how light and balanced they are.  Dobyns is the exception and he mentioned that he keeps them skinny, but they do weight more.  I thought I'd post this link for you all to check out if you haven't seen it already... You have to pull up the PDF

http://www.tackletour.net/TTForums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=47769&am...

Aaron Christel said:

Rod sensitivity is an effect of the material that it is composed of.  It is a consiquence that usually lighter materials transfer vibrations better than heavier materials, but they are not mutually exclusive.  Due to the fact that most light weight graphite is very good at transfering vibration, it creates a more sensitive rod.  But, there are heavy materials that can transfer vibration well too.  Don't think that light weight always equals sensitive, it is usually just the quality of the graphite used is sensitive and also light weight.  Example:  I have a Fenwick light action rod that I use for fun fishing four pound test in the winter when fish don't fight hard.  The rod weighs next to nothing, but I usually don't feel any bites, just weight.  This is due to the low modulous of the graphite in the rod.  But, a 3 lb smallie kicks my but on it even in January, so I use it on occasion just for fun factor.  I would never use it in a tournament.

Ultimatly, what makes a graphite rod sensitive is the modulouse of the graphite, and then subtract sensitivity for the pieces of the rod that absorb vibration (cork, glue, line guides, ect.)  The modulous of the graphite refers to the size of the strands of graphite that are woven together to create the blank.  Like electricity that travels over the surface of copper wires, vibration traveles over the surface of the graphite strands. 

Joel Alinen said:

Josh I think the point is all of these things in PJ's criteria are what makes a rod sensitive???

Josh Potter said:

PJ- No offense but the your criteria is sort of retarded without sensitivity. You can't buy a really heavy rod that is really sensitive at the same time. My 300 pound girlfriend is supe hot. Doesn't make sense does it?

Permalink Reply by bogey4444 on December 17, 2010 at 1:57pm

What is everyone take on the new micro guides?

Permalink Reply by Pat on December 17, 2010 at 3:31pm

they are small

bogey4444 said:

What is everyone take on the new micro guides?

Permalink Reply by P.J. Koshi on December 17, 2010 at 4:35pm

I'll give you my thoughts in a couple months... I just ordered an e21 Micro Guide Carrot Stick.  Wanted to try the carrot resin technology as well as the micro guides and the 2 piece reel seat.  Plus I got one on sale for $135!

bogey4444 said:

What is everyone take on the new micro guides?

Permalink Reply by Ronald Hobbs, Jr. on December 17, 2010 at 6:59pm

Kind of not really though in my opinion, the stiffer the graphite material the more vibration that is transmitted through the material, the problem with this the stiffer the material the more brittle it is. The other thing is the stiffer the material the less material that is needed to make the rod, making the rod lighter.  The other variable is the scrim material used in the rod.  Think about it this way what would be more sensitive a cooked spaghetti noodle or a dry pasta noodle out of the package?

Aaron Christel said:

Rod sensitivity is an effect of the material that it is composed of.  It is a consiquence that usually lighter materials transfer vibrations better than heavier materials, but they are not mutually exclusive.  Due to the fact that most light weight graphite is very good at transfering vibration, it creates a more sensitive rod.  But, there are heavy materials that can transfer vibration well too.  Don't think that light weight always equals sensitive, it is usually just the quality of the graphite used is sensitive and also light weight.  Example:  I have a Fenwick light action rod that I use for fun fishing four pound test in the winter when fish don't fight hard.  The rod weighs next to nothing, but I usually don't feel any bites, just weight.  This is due to the low modulous of the graphite in the rod.  But, a 3 lb smallie kicks my but on it even in January, so I use it on occasion just for fun factor.  I would never use it in a tournament.

Ultimatly, what makes a graphite rod sensitive is the modulouse of the graphite, and then subtract sensitivity for the pieces of the rod that absorb vibration (cork, glue, line guides, ect.)  The modulous of the graphite refers to the size of the strands of graphite that are woven together to create the blank.  Like electricity that travels over the surface of copper wires, vibration traveles over the surface of the graphite strands. 

Joel Alinen said:

Josh I think the point is all of these things in PJ's criteria are what makes a rod sensitive???

Josh Potter said:

PJ- No offense but the your criteria is sort of retarded without sensitivity. You can't buy a really heavy rod that is really sensitive at the same time. My 300 pound girlfriend is supe hot. Doesn't make sense does it?

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