What are you running and how fast is your boat?

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Permalink Reply by Terry Steffensen on March 29, 2010 at 12:53pm

Isn't that the truth. Something about banks slows everyone down.

Mike Buse said:

I did not see that Hall had an HP. There have been very few of those around. Cold weather, little gas, I suppose it's possible. My bad.......The elevation and typical heat at Banks takes it's toll on boats. Very few boats will break 70 on banks with two people in the summer.

David Ohl said:

Hall only judges his speed based on his gps! I know hes not lying because I was with him a week before the frost bite tourney and with two of us in his boat with an 1/8 tank of fuel we hit 76mph gps! I saw it with MY OWN EYES! So I would apperciate it if you would think before you spoke! WTF do you know? Do you know what setup he's running? Have you been in his boat? Do you even know him?

Mike Buse said:

No chance Hall's Triton will run 78 on GPS at Banks. Maybe speedo, not GPS. I doubt it runs 78 at sealevel with low gas and one person, let alone 1500 feet above sealevel at Banks.

David Ohl said:

05' Triron Tr21x with an 05' Merc Opti. loaded out will GPS at 69-70 at Banks and alone with lite load I have hit 74 MPH GPS one time but now can't get past 73.6 GPS. I was talking to Paul Hall after the ABA tourney yesterday and two weeks ago on Banks Lake he was running 78 MPH GPS. He has an 07' Triton Tr21 HP with a 250 pro xs

Permalink Reply by Mike Bess on March 29, 2010 at 1:06pm

Ron Mace still has the fastest bass boat I've ever seen. It goes like a raped ape....

Permalink Reply by Shawn O'Connell on March 29, 2010 at 1:07pm

There's alot of boats out there right now that will hit these numbers. Mostly boats produced in the last couple of years. Remember many of the 250 horse motors are pushing 270 or so now. Banks Lake water temps are certainly not warm right now. Last fall I noticed about a five mph drop in speed at Banks compared to winter and early spring. You are also talking about 20 degree difference in water temps not to mention major changes in specific gravity.

I doubt anyone that posts on this site uses anything but GPS and least of all one of the top sticks in the state!

Ask my tourney partner he's been in my X3 fully loaded at 70-72 all the time and we are both big guys. That HP has passed me many a time.


Mike Buse said:

I did not see that Hall had an HP. There have been very few of those around. Cold weather, little gas, I suppose it's possible. My bad.......The elevation and typical heat at Banks takes it's toll on boats. Very few boats will break 70 on banks with two people in the summer.

David Ohl said:

Hall only judges his speed based on his gps! I know hes not lying because I was with him a week before the frost bite tourney and with two of us in his boat with an 1/8 tank of fuel we hit 76mph gps! I saw it with MY OWN EYES! So I would apperciate it if you would think before you spoke! WTF do you know? Do you know what setup he's running? Have you been in his boat? Do you even know him?

Mike Buse said:

No chance Hall's Triton will run 78 on GPS at Banks. Maybe speedo, not GPS. I doubt it runs 78 at sealevel with low gas and one person, let alone 1500 feet above sealevel at Banks.

David Ohl said:

05' Triron Tr21x with an 05' Merc Opti. loaded out will GPS at 69-70 at Banks and alone with lite load I have hit 74 MPH GPS one time but now can't get past 73.6 GPS. I was talking to Paul Hall after the ABA tourney yesterday and two weeks ago on Banks Lake he was running 78 MPH GPS. He has an 07' Triton Tr21 HP with a 250 pro xs

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on March 29, 2010 at 1:57pm

I rode in a bullet a few years ago. I was fishing as a co-angler at the Columbia River FLW Series. I saw 84 on this guy's GPS and he was a solid 225 pounder and I was over 200 at the time. We must have had a fair amount of fuel on board because we ran quite a ways but I really don't know how much fuel. I didn't have much to compare it to at the time but it wasn't scary.

Permalink Reply by Daniel on March 29, 2010 at 2:03pm

Shawn Mcdaniels has a 21XDC w/250pro xs and its one of the safest boats Ive ever rode in. Together he and I probably dont weigh more than 350lbs.

Permalink Reply by Mike Buse on March 29, 2010 at 2:18pm

You did clearly state that it was an HP, I just didn't see it. I have heard good things about the performance of the HP, I just have not seen one in person. A guy in my club has an HP on order with a 250 Pro. I think he has about 3 more weeks before it shows and I'm excited to drive it.

David Ohl said:

I thought I clearly stated that Hall has an HP.. Sorry for getting ornery I just get a liitle irritated when people blurt what they think and not what they know. I'm not talking about you, just in general. But yeah, he has an HP with a 250 Pro xs and his boat is faster than most HP's with the same setup. I dont know why but it is.

Also there are quite a few HP's running around.

Mike Buse said:

I did not see that Hall had an HP. There have been very few of those around. Cold weather, little gas, I suppose it's possible. My bad.......The elevation and typical heat at Banks takes it's toll on boats. Very few boats will break 70 on banks with two people in the summer.

David Ohl said:

Hall only judges his speed based on his gps! I know hes not lying because I was with him a week before the frost bite tourney and with two of us in his boat with an 1/8 tank of fuel we hit 76mph gps! I saw it with MY OWN EYES! So I would apperciate it if you would think before you spoke! WTF do you know? Do you know what setup he's running? Have you been in his boat? Do you even know him?

Mike Buse said:

No chance Hall's Triton will run 78 on GPS at Banks. Maybe speedo, not GPS. I doubt it runs 78 at sealevel with low gas and one person, let alone 1500 feet above sealevel at Banks.

David Ohl said:

05' Triron Tr21x with an 05' Merc Opti. loaded out will GPS at 69-70 at Banks and alone with lite load I have hit 74 MPH GPS one time but now can't get past 73.6 GPS. I was talking to Paul Hall after the ABA tourney yesterday and two weeks ago on Banks Lake he was running 78 MPH GPS. He has an 07' Triton Tr21 HP with a 250 pro xs

Permalink Reply by Misanthrope on March 29, 2010 at 4:01pm

Except you, because you don't have to.
They don't call you Long Jon for nothing.

Jon Sessler said:

When it comes to boat speed, and penis size, everyone lies.

Permalink Reply by Eric DeLay on March 29, 2010 at 4:16pm

Last year on the river Ron ditched Bess and I. He flat outran us with an observer in his boat. We were going downriver at 74 and he dusted us. Ron is running a Skeeter but IDK the exact setup.

I have the 2008 Triton 21X2 with a Merc ProXS300 on it. I honestly feel like I have never gotten the top speed out of it because the fastest I have seen is 78mph. Sessler has the same set-up as me and he has broken 80mph I believe. I have a TempestII on it now with some dings in it but it still does 73mph tournament loaded with a partner.

My boat is great in rough water, is super easy to drive, and is very stable to fish in so I think it is a great balance of speed, stability, and fishability. I think if you get a rocket like a Bullet you might be sacrificing in the rough water ride and fishability categories. I remember passing one once in a my old ProCraft with a 100HP motor. It was blowing about 40mph and the Bullet couldn't run in that big of water, it was too light I think.

I agree with Sessler that a lot of guys are full of crap about their speed. I hear a lot of talk but I have never been passed, even when going 72.

Mike Bess said:

Ron Mace still has the fastest bass boat I've ever seen. It goes like a raped ape....

Permalink Reply by Shawn O'Connell on March 29, 2010 at 6:23pm

I fished as a co in the FLW with a guy who had a TR19 with a 250 Opti on it. I'm not sure what the top speed was on it because I couldn't keep seat to butt contact long enough to look at his GPS. He is from Washington but is such an ass I won't mention his name. (RickyBobby)

I've talked to several guys with the same boat as mine and they are not getting the performance I am. Almost all of them, when I ask what their setups are have no idea what propshaft height they are at. If I lower my motor down 1/4" I lose 5-6 mph. I'm no expert by any means, but have spent countless hours tweaking my ride for both speed and comfort. I took my dad out in my boat and at 71 he couldn't believe how smooth the ride was. My point in this is that I think a lot of guys are not getting the performance that they could be. When I sent my 26 fury into croxton to get b&b'd I gained two miles an hour. If you guys haven't done this and are wanting a little extra it is worth a try. According to him it is rare that he can't get you 1-2 mph. I've experimented enough and talked to so many dealers and prop guys around the country that many of them have called me to find out what my results have been.

I think the bottom line is how important is it to you to get the extra mph. I've spent way to much money and time to get the performance I do and there are very few guys that pass me when I'm all the way on it. Only a couple of Tritons and the speed boats. Typically I give a wide berth and easily pass guys with the same hull as mine including many on here:) Thats another thing that people don't like to admit. I truly think it is all in the setup and most are not getting the results they could.

Of course, now I just need to learn how to fish?

Permalink Reply by Buck Brunner on March 29, 2010 at 6:55pm

Ron,
Thanks for the info. I love the looks of the Triton X series and had hoped to trade towards a 21x2 demo this year, or one of those 20i Class demos, but just can't swing it right now. Hopefully next year.

How do you like the X2 vs X3 series hulls?

I have played around with raising/lowering the jackplate and found the best spot is right where it was set when I bought the boat new, so leaving it there.

Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:

Buck I have the 20X-2 Triton and it does 70 without a quiver in chop. It rides the smoothest and is the easiest to drive Triton or any boat for that matter that goes over 70mph in rough water IMO. If you are looking for a good smooth ride and great handling this hull is for you. I have had it at 75 mph without having to worry about the chine walk you get out of the older TR series boats.

Buck Brunner said:

2007 Triton TR196 with 2007 200HP Optimax.
Tempest 25 prop, full tourney load and full fuel tank, no passenger, I have hit 65MPH on Lake Sammamish in January.

Guessing smoother water and cold, dense air on Sammamish helped.

However, at 65MPH GPS, the ride was a bit scary... chine walk, constant trim, steering, and smooth touch on the hotfoot.

I'm still learning to drive, so take that into consideration.

One question I have is...

Is there a 21 foot bass boat out there that will carry a full tournament load, full fuel tank, with fishing partner, and comfortably do 70 MPH in slightly choppy water? Does such a boat exist, and what is it?

I hit a 4 foot wake doing about 55 GPS on Lake Wa last year, and after pulling the prop out of water, and then slamming back down at a complete stop, I thought I had broken something in my body... very scary experience.

I've heard talk of full tournament loads in Skeeters and Rangers doing 70 MPH plus in chop without so much as a twitch, even hands off steering wheel.

Are these stories true, or just wishful thinking?

Thanks for any input!

Permalink Reply by Shawn O'Connell on March 29, 2010 at 7:07pm

David I don't know if it is legal or not. It may not be, I know Nixon's did some lower unit work for the guy and they were suprised at that matchup. He brought it up from down south when he retired to WA so it's hard to say where he got it. Like I said, he is an ass and I doubt that he would care if it was legal or not. I did do a search and it said that boat is rated up to 200, so if what I found is right, (it was a chat board), he is not legal. That boat was scary fast though and he never let up no matter what kind of water we were in.

I don't think you've been mislead. My understanding is that the rating on your boat is the coast guard approved rating. I think if you exceeded it you would not be legal.

David Ohl said:

Shawn I honestly didn't think you could put a 250 on a 19 ft boat legally.. Was it legal? I have a 2005 Triton Tr 21X and it is not rated for a 250. Therefor it would not be legal to run a 250 even if I put one on myself. Have I been mislead on the information I am providing?
Shawn O'Connell said:

I fished as a co in the FLW with a guy who had a TR19 with a 250 Opti on it. I'm not sure what the top speed was on it because I couldn't keep seat to butt contact long enough to look at his GPS. He is from Washington but is such an ass I won't mention his name. (RickyBobby)

I've talked to several guys with the same boat as mine and they are not getting the performance I am. Almost all of them, when I ask what their setups are have no idea what propshaft height they are at. If I lower my motor down 1/4" I lose 5-6 mph. I'm no expert by any means, but have spent countless hours tweaking my ride for both speed and comfort. I took my dad out in my boat and at 71 he couldn't believe how smooth the ride was. My point in this is that I think a lot of guys are not getting the performance that they could be. When I sent my 26 fury into croxton to get b&b'd I gained two miles an hour. If you guys haven't done this and are wanting a little extra it is worth a try. According to him it is rare that he can't get you 1-2 mph. I've experimented enough and talked to so many dealers and prop guys around the country that many of them have called me to find out what my results have been.

I think the bottom line is how important is it to you to get the extra mph. I've spent way to much money and time to get the performance I do and there are very few guys that pass me when I'm all the way on it. Only a couple of Tritons and the speed boats. Typically I give a wide berth and easily pass guys with the same hull as mine including many on here:) Thats another thing that people don't like to admit. I truly think it is all in the setup and most are not getting the results they could.

Of course, now I just need to learn how to fish?

Permalink Reply by Shawn O'Connell on March 29, 2010 at 7:40pm

Thanks David but the other two day were great and I learned a lot. So a guys gotta take the good with the bad if he doesn't kick in the big bucks.

David Ohl said:

Yeah thats what I was thinking Shawn. Well if the guy was an a~~hole maybe he'll get himself in trouble LOL. Anyways Shawn, with all other aside I'm sorry to hear you had a bad experience fishing FLW.

Shawn O'Connell said:

David I don't know if it is legal or not. It may not be, I know Nixon's did some lower unit work for the guy and they were suprised at that matchup. He brought it up from down south when he retired to WA so it's hard to say where he got it. Like I said, he is an ass and I doubt that he would care if it was legal or not. I did do a search and it said that boat is rated up to 200, so if what I found is right, (it was a chat board), he is not legal. That boat was scary fast though and he never let up no matter what kind of water we were in.

I don't think you've been mislead. My understanding is that the rating on your boat is the coast guard approved rating. I think if you exceeded it you would not be legal.

David Ohl said:

Shawn I honestly didn't think you could put a 250 on a 19 ft boat legally.. Was it legal? I have a 2005 Triton Tr 21X and it is not rated for a 250. Therefor it would not be legal to run a 250 even if I put one on myself. Have I been mislead on the information I am providing?
Shawn O'Connell said:

I fished as a co in the FLW with a guy who had a TR19 with a 250 Opti on it. I'm not sure what the top speed was on it because I couldn't keep seat to butt contact long enough to look at his GPS. He is from Washington but is such an ass I won't mention his name. (RickyBobby)

I've talked to several guys with the same boat as mine and they are not getting the performance I am. Almost all of them, when I ask what their setups are have no idea what propshaft height they are at. If I lower my motor down 1/4" I lose 5-6 mph. I'm no expert by any means, but have spent countless hours tweaking my ride for both speed and comfort. I took my dad out in my boat and at 71 he couldn't believe how smooth the ride was. My point in this is that I think a lot of guys are not getting the performance that they could be. When I sent my 26 fury into croxton to get b&b'd I gained two miles an hour. If you guys haven't done this and are wanting a little extra it is worth a try. According to him it is rare that he can't get you 1-2 mph. I've experimented enough and talked to so many dealers and prop guys around the country that many of them have called me to find out what my results have been.

I think the bottom line is how important is it to you to get the extra mph. I've spent way to much money and time to get the performance I do and there are very few guys that pass me when I'm all the way on it. Only a couple of Tritons and the speed boats. Typically I give a wide berth and easily pass guys with the same hull as mine including many on here:) Thats another thing that people don't like to admit. I truly think it is all in the setup and most are not getting the results they could.

Of course, now I just need to learn how to fish?

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