No Fishing Sign in Newport Shores

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Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on April 21, 2010 at 11:58am

Exactly and you answered your own question.

Tom Edwards said:

But if the dock owner says it is ok, then it is ok. Fairly simple.

Josh Potter said:

Ask him what Tom? I am assuming you want Dez to ask him if you have the right to retrieve a hook stuck in a dock. We all know the answer to that already. NO, that is private property.

Tom Edwards said:

Are you going to see/talk to him again? If so, ask him about a person walking on a dock to retrieve a hook/lure that is stuck in the middle of the dock due to a wind gust or errant cast.

BigBass Dez said:

In Regards to Newport , I just had lunch this past saturday with a gentleman who has a house in the canals . He lives in one leg and his parents live in the other , We chated about the bass fishing takes place in there each year and how the community feels about it .

As for the bass fishing that takes place , he mentioned that for the most part "bassanglers" are such the early birds that by the time he gets up on a saturday he doesn't see many boats through out the day .The only concern he mentioned was the Noise factor , when guys are talking really loud or yelling @ 7 am in the morning that gets under his skin a little bit .

Next we also talked about how the community feels about us fishing in there , He said honestly the community is about 50/50 split on the residents that care about it and and other half not really too concerned . He went on to say that the biggest problem they encounter are the boats that ignore the "no wake" rule . Now with that being said , I pointed out the tourney guys are told about the rule at our meetings and we follow the rules pretty good IMO . He than went on to say that , its not us the he witness breaking the rules , its mostly just the cruising boaters .
Last , We talked about "Property ownership " and how it relates to the canals . To my surprize , he stated that ONE of the canals are owned by the community, the first one !
He Said that his property line runs about 20 yards out into the middle of the canal , however we are talking about the "land" and not the water .
So basicly as long as boat is not touching any of the park boats or anglers standing on the docks , no rules are being broken ! The second canal is community property and pretty much no different then fishing any docks on the rest of the lake , the typical rules are in place there .

I walked away from the conversation feeling like our future in the canals are somewhat safe . He gentleman likes to watch us catch fish and seem like he would support us bass fishing if it ever became a big topic . However acts of boats the dont follow the no wake policy can mess things up for us down the road .
Overall , if we continue to follow the rules , keep the yelling down , and dont step on anyones dock , we should be just fine !! :-)

Dez "The Rookie"

Permalink Reply by Shawn O'Connell on April 21, 2010 at 11:59am

I agree with the be courteous but don't back down formula. I do understand that they do have issues with broken line and hooks stuck on their docks from misguided casts, but every person I have run into there has been very friendly and asked us how it was going. Heck we had one guy come out and tell us to go ahead and cast into his boat house. If you buy a place on the water you should expect this to happen. If you buy a place along a highway you would expect to have traffic noise. Of course there is a probably a significant difference in wealth and some people are used to getting their way.

I'm impressed by you guys that break out the RCW. I break out the well driller slang dictionary when this kind of thing happens and that's how I'm wired so it's unlikely that it will change. Of course the my boat is prettier than yours is a classic that i will have to remember.

Permalink Reply by Tom Edwards on April 21, 2010 at 12:00pm

Yup, so why not ask the dock owner of that area and post it here, if only for better clarification for the future. That's all.

Josh Potter said:

Exactly and you answered your own question.

Tom Edwards said:

But if the dock owner says it is ok, then it is ok. Fairly simple.

Josh Potter said:

Ask him what Tom? I am assuming you want Dez to ask him if you have the right to retrieve a hook stuck in a dock. We all know the answer to that already. NO, that is private property.

Tom Edwards said:

Are you going to see/talk to him again? If so, ask him about a person walking on a dock to retrieve a hook/lure that is stuck in the middle of the dock due to a wind gust or errant cast.

BigBass Dez said:

In Regards to Newport , I just had lunch this past saturday with a gentleman who has a house in the canals . He lives in one leg and his parents live in the other , We chated about the bass fishing takes place in there each year and how the community feels about it .

As for the bass fishing that takes place , he mentioned that for the most part "bassanglers" are such the early birds that by the time he gets up on a saturday he doesn't see many boats through out the day .The only concern he mentioned was the Noise factor , when guys are talking really loud or yelling @ 7 am in the morning that gets under his skin a little bit .

Next we also talked about how the community feels about us fishing in there , He said honestly the community is about 50/50 split on the residents that care about it and and other half not really too concerned . He went on to say that the biggest problem they encounter are the boats that ignore the "no wake" rule . Now with that being said , I pointed out the tourney guys are told about the rule at our meetings and we follow the rules pretty good IMO . He than went on to say that , its not us the he witness breaking the rules , its mostly just the cruising boaters .
Last , We talked about "Property ownership " and how it relates to the canals . To my surprize , he stated that ONE of the canals are owned by the community, the first one !
He Said that his property line runs about 20 yards out into the middle of the canal , however we are talking about the "land" and not the water .
So basicly as long as boat is not touching any of the park boats or anglers standing on the docks , no rules are being broken ! The second canal is community property and pretty much no different then fishing any docks on the rest of the lake , the typical rules are in place there .

I walked away from the conversation feeling like our future in the canals are somewhat safe . He gentleman likes to watch us catch fish and seem like he would support us bass fishing if it ever became a big topic . However acts of boats the dont follow the no wake policy can mess things up for us down the road .
Overall , if we continue to follow the rules , keep the yelling down , and dont step on anyones dock , we should be just fine !! :-)

Dez "The Rookie"

Permalink Reply by Tom Edwards on April 21, 2010 at 12:07pm

I've leaned over the gunnel of my boat more than once to reach a lure with the tip of my rod to get the lure loose. I've even had to crawl out onto a dock to get a lure, but can only remember a couple times. I refuse to leave a hook in a dock so kids, adults, pets don't get stuck with a hook. I've even discussed it with a couple/few dock owners and every single one thanked me for retrieving the lures, and for not leaving a hook in the dock, rope, or whatever a hook can be hooked on related to a dock or the property, whether it's a bush, tree, rock at the edge of the water, anyplace. I've even retrieved hooks that other people have left.

No I won't be fishing the NWBASS tourney, I have no money for tournies, even tho I want to try them again. Maybe some day.

BigBass Dez said:

Tom ,

Brother if your lure is not "reachable" by hand or rod , I wouldnt encourage you to step on that dock man !!!

Now think about this , what if one on the owners pets or kids come across your hook ? that would be bad for business !!

My point is that , we as "bassanglers" have a responsibility to make sure that we are not used as an example of reasons to outlaw us from fishing "any" part of the lake , unless the state has already deemed it off limits because of a Bird habitat or close water for beach and safety reasons ..

Dont let use down Tom , I think you are wise enough to know whats right and whats wrong bro !! :-) .. Looking forward to seeing ya out there ! Are you fishing NWBASS on may 15 ?






Josh Potter said:

Ask him what Tom? I am assuming you want Dez to ask him if you have the right to retrieve a hook stuck in a dock. We all know the answer to that already. NO, that is private property.

Tom Edwards said:

Are you going to see/talk to him again? If so, ask him about a person walking on a dock to retrieve a hook/lure that is stuck in the middle of the dock due to a wind gust or errant cast.

BigBass Dez said:

In Regards to Newport , I just had lunch this past saturday with a gentleman who has a house in the canals . He lives in one leg and his parents live in the other , We chated about the bass fishing takes place in there each year and how the community feels about it .

As for the bass fishing that takes place , he mentioned that for the most part "bassanglers" are such the early birds that by the time he gets up on a saturday he doesn't see many boats through out the day .The only concern he mentioned was the Noise factor , when guys are talking really loud or yelling @ 7 am in the morning that gets under his skin a little bit .

Next we also talked about how the community feels about us fishing in there , He said honestly the community is about 50/50 split on the residents that care about it and and other half not really too concerned . He went on to say that the biggest problem they encounter are the boats that ignore the "no wake" rule . Now with that being said , I pointed out the tourney guys are told about the rule at our meetings and we follow the rules pretty good IMO . He than went on to say that , its not us the he witness breaking the rules , its mostly just the cruising boaters .
Last , We talked about "Property ownership " and how it relates to the canals . To my surprize , he stated that ONE of the canals are owned by the community, the first one !
He Said that his property line runs about 20 yards out into the middle of the canal , however we are talking about the "land" and not the water .
So basicly as long as boat is not touching any of the park boats or anglers standing on the docks , no rules are being broken ! The second canal is community property and pretty much no different then fishing any docks on the rest of the lake , the typical rules are in place there .

I walked away from the conversation feeling like our future in the canals are somewhat safe . He gentleman likes to watch us catch fish and seem like he would support us bass fishing if it ever became a big topic . However acts of boats the dont follow the no wake policy can mess things up for us down the road .
Overall , if we continue to follow the rules , keep the yelling down , and dont step on anyones dock , we should be just fine !! :-)

Dez "The Rookie"

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on April 21, 2010 at 12:27pm

It would be super useful to know that out of 100 docks in Newport you had permission to retrieve your lure off 1 dock. It would alleviate so much pressure when you came to that one dock knowing you could cast anywhere to it without fear of getting hung.

Tom Edwards said:

Yup, so why not ask the dock owner of that area and post it here, if only for better clarification for the future. That's all.

Josh Potter said:

Exactly and you answered your own question.

Tom Edwards said:

But if the dock owner says it is ok, then it is ok. Fairly simple.

Josh Potter said:

Ask him what Tom? I am assuming you want Dez to ask him if you have the right to retrieve a hook stuck in a dock. We all know the answer to that already. NO, that is private property.

Tom Edwards said:

Are you going to see/talk to him again? If so, ask him about a person walking on a dock to retrieve a hook/lure that is stuck in the middle of the dock due to a wind gust or errant cast.

BigBass Dez said:

In Regards to Newport , I just had lunch this past saturday with a gentleman who has a house in the canals . He lives in one leg and his parents live in the other , We chated about the bass fishing takes place in there each year and how the community feels about it .

As for the bass fishing that takes place , he mentioned that for the most part "bassanglers" are such the early birds that by the time he gets up on a saturday he doesn't see many boats through out the day .The only concern he mentioned was the Noise factor , when guys are talking really loud or yelling @ 7 am in the morning that gets under his skin a little bit .

Next we also talked about how the community feels about us fishing in there , He said honestly the community is about 50/50 split on the residents that care about it and and other half not really too concerned . He went on to say that the biggest problem they encounter are the boats that ignore the "no wake" rule . Now with that being said , I pointed out the tourney guys are told about the rule at our meetings and we follow the rules pretty good IMO . He than went on to say that , its not us the he witness breaking the rules , its mostly just the cruising boaters .
Last , We talked about "Property ownership " and how it relates to the canals . To my surprize , he stated that ONE of the canals are owned by the community, the first one !
He Said that his property line runs about 20 yards out into the middle of the canal , however we are talking about the "land" and not the water .
So basicly as long as boat is not touching any of the park boats or anglers standing on the docks , no rules are being broken ! The second canal is community property and pretty much no different then fishing any docks on the rest of the lake , the typical rules are in place there .

I walked away from the conversation feeling like our future in the canals are somewhat safe . He gentleman likes to watch us catch fish and seem like he would support us bass fishing if it ever became a big topic . However acts of boats the dont follow the no wake policy can mess things up for us down the road .
Overall , if we continue to follow the rules , keep the yelling down , and dont step on anyones dock , we should be just fine !! :-)

Dez "The Rookie"

Permalink Reply by Tom Edwards on April 21, 2010 at 12:34pm

HaHaHa Yup. :-)

Josh Potter said:

It would be super useful to know that out of 100 docks in Newport you had permission to retrieve your lure off 1 dock. It would alleviate so much pressure when you came to that one dock knowing you could cast anywhere to it without fear of getting hung.

Tom Edwards said:

Yup, so why not ask the dock owner of that area and post it here, if only for better clarification for the future. That's all.

Josh Potter said:

Exactly and you answered your own question.

Tom Edwards said:

But if the dock owner says it is ok, then it is ok. Fairly simple.

Josh Potter said:

Ask him what Tom? I am assuming you want Dez to ask him if you have the right to retrieve a hook stuck in a dock. We all know the answer to that already. NO, that is private property.

Tom Edwards said:

Are you going to see/talk to him again? If so, ask him about a person walking on a dock to retrieve a hook/lure that is stuck in the middle of the dock due to a wind gust or errant cast.

BigBass Dez said:

In Regards to Newport , I just had lunch this past saturday with a gentleman who has a house in the canals . He lives in one leg and his parents live in the other , We chated about the bass fishing takes place in there each year and how the community feels about it .

As for the bass fishing that takes place , he mentioned that for the most part "bassanglers" are such the early birds that by the time he gets up on a saturday he doesn't see many boats through out the day .The only concern he mentioned was the Noise factor , when guys are talking really loud or yelling @ 7 am in the morning that gets under his skin a little bit .

Next we also talked about how the community feels about us fishing in there , He said honestly the community is about 50/50 split on the residents that care about it and and other half not really too concerned . He went on to say that the biggest problem they encounter are the boats that ignore the "no wake" rule . Now with that being said , I pointed out the tourney guys are told about the rule at our meetings and we follow the rules pretty good IMO . He than went on to say that , its not us the he witness breaking the rules , its mostly just the cruising boaters .
Last , We talked about "Property ownership " and how it relates to the canals . To my surprize , he stated that ONE of the canals are owned by the community, the first one !
He Said that his property line runs about 20 yards out into the middle of the canal , however we are talking about the "land" and not the water .
So basicly as long as boat is not touching any of the park boats or anglers standing on the docks , no rules are being broken ! The second canal is community property and pretty much no different then fishing any docks on the rest of the lake , the typical rules are in place there .

I walked away from the conversation feeling like our future in the canals are somewhat safe . He gentleman likes to watch us catch fish and seem like he would support us bass fishing if it ever became a big topic . However acts of boats the dont follow the no wake policy can mess things up for us down the road .
Overall , if we continue to follow the rules , keep the yelling down , and dont step on anyones dock , we should be just fine !! :-)

Dez "The Rookie"

Permalink Reply by Tom Edwards on April 21, 2010 at 12:58pm

And then some tournaments declared that area off limits during the tourney. At least during the spring/spawn.

Permalink Reply by Jim Smith on April 21, 2010 at 1:39pm

My partner & I pulled 17.75 lbs from there to place 4th in a "T" may years ago in the spring. The bite only lasted about 45 minutes and then we couldn't find another fish all day.
Smitty

Panic Minnow said:

I quit fishing in there for 3 reasons:
1) My fish catching ability must be getting worse (it is). I do remember that a 3.9# fish was the average fish in there...period. We would catch 50 fish in there a day, and we would weigh 1/2 of them, and it got to the point where most fish we caught were around the 3.9 lb number. There were a few 2.5# fish (not many), and a few 5# fish (not many), but the average weight for smallmouth were 3.9#.
2)There are way too many boats in there. I do remember when Yusuke and I would be the only boat in there for a few years, never saw another bass boat even close to the mouth of it. The late Mr Larry Gonzy did not even have a clue how good the fishing was in there.
3) The fish are getting much smarter, which is true, or is the same answer as #1, or a combination of both 1 and 2, or the hard fact that the fish are just not in there like they used to be. I really think the pressure has taken the toll on the fish in there, like it or not. If we as bass fishermen did not fish in there, it would by no means hurt the population of the fish. I could care less about the homeowners issues, as it is usually a minority that has the issues with us.

So to answer your question Jon, when the very first few tournaments from ABA were held on Lake Washington in the spring spawn, a majority of the winners were fishing the canals. I would not say they were 20# bags though, as I remember.

Jon Sessler said:

I gotta ask.....

If I go back and find archives from club and money tournaments, there will be nothing but 20# bags from Lake Washington? Assuming they were held when the fish were in Newport.

Russ Baker said:

Missy,

Congratulations on combining an obvious lie (50-100 fish over 4lbs?)

Back in the 90's before you were obviously around 50-100 fish days of 4+ lbers were common. Ask around to guys who dont just fish tournaments you will find that statement is not only true but a fact.



Misanthrope said:

Congratulations on combining an obvious lie (50-100 fish over 4lbs?) with a bunch of blaa blaa blaa that doesn't make any sense.

Josh Potter had an interesting question. If you knew about it before everyone else, and it was that good, why didn't you win every tournament on Lk Washington? How did you keep all the 2-3lbers from biting? All over 4lbs? Do you even listen to yourself?

P.S. Nice pose Stuart. Are you actually farting in that pic?

Russ Baker said:

I think its sad that it came down to this but new it would eventually happen since so many tournament circuits have allowed participants to fish in there. Years ago before the T-circuits allowed fishing in there you could have 50-100 fish days in there with nothing under 4 lbs. I personally have been fishing in there since the early 90's before tournament guys new about it and had several home owners express their distaste for guys fishing in there, but have also had home owners come out and ask me what I was using so they could catch fish in their little paradise.

Not sure the legality of making it off limits as it is part of the lake, but when you have a large group that is against fishing in a particular part of the lake we need to take note and make sure we dont get totally banned from other areas or the lakes entirety which I hope would never happen.

Permalink Reply by RFatt16 on April 21, 2010 at 2:46pm

I have a buddy that lives in Newport shores, i talked with Saturday. HE said they have talked about it in community meetings- He said its a split crowd. Some hate it some like it and he said a select few don't care either way. What they do mind is- 1) people talking loud and yelling at 7am or before. 2) Getting on to their boat only to see a lure and line wrapped around a railing or something like that.

Last- I saw that sign Monday when i was out there and almost went over there just to be a dick but i was fishing with a buddy who needed to go in so i could not be my usual self and be a prick and fish there until someone comes out and bitches about it. There's always next time LOL

Daniel said:

I was in there on Saturday and one home owner asked us if we were doing any good. I guess all home owners in the canals aren't against it but I've always thought in the back of my head that they must hate us.

Permalink Reply by Daryl Snodgrass on April 21, 2010 at 3:42pm

OK. I'm going to put my 2 cents worth in on this subject. I am a former Coast Guard Civilian who worked for Coast Guard Licensing issuing licenses to mariners.

Lake Washington is a navigable waterway which is governed by the US Coat Guard, not the state. The state only issues the fishing license. Therefore, the Newport Canal falls under 33 CFR 2.36 and 2.38 governing navigable waters. Bottom line is the water is owned by the United States not the home owner. Homeowners cannot prevent anyone from entering unless the homeowners petition the U.S. Congress and have the waterway deemed unnavigable. Then it will fall under state laws.

My 2 cents.

Permalink Reply by Mike Matkowski on April 21, 2010 at 5:02pm

The most adversarial body of water I ever fished a tourney on was the Willamette River in May during the Salmon run-some of those old kurmudgens hated bass fisherman! It upsets me more that tax dollars are spent to build nice new ramps for special populations along remote parts of the Columbia River and access is denied to the general public, than those occassional, often entertaining homeowners that try to extend their property rights into navigable public waterways. I think I am going to place no fishing/ no jetskiing/ no camping signs on some of my favorite dunes at Potholes:)

Permalink Reply by Eric DeLay on April 21, 2010 at 10:48pm

So is his math. The "average" fish was 3.9lbs but the winning bags weren't 20lbs? What a ratard. Does Panic Minnow know that there is a difference between 3.9lbs and 3lbs 9ounces?

Let's get the facts out. Most guys stayed out of there prior to 2000 because there used to be a sign on a post in the middle of the entrance that said "Private Canals, Residents and Guests Only". The guys who did go in there did win well in tourneys but I don't recall any giant bags being weighed in the tourneys I was in. I started tournament fishing in 1997.

In 2000 some big bags came out of there and the word got out. Dan Johnson was nice enough to show me how to dropshot in there. Thanks again Dan.

I have caught 25 in a day in there but when the big numbers are in the size is down and most are 2-3lbs. The huge bags (I weighed 21lbs in 2002 ABA and almost 23lbs 2004 ABA) came in April when you would catch fewer but larger fish (lots of 4's some 5's and some 6's. These are practice days, in tourneys they get divided up). In May the numbers increase but size goes down and in June both numbers and size drop off dramatically.

I started fishing in there in 2001 and haven't done crap in there since we crushed it with 22.89 in 2004. For me personally it is much harder to catch a big bag in there but I can't say that that is because of the fishery, the pressure, or just because I spent all day in there for so many tournaments that I just hate it now. It is so boring that I would rather go out on the main lake and chuck spinnerbaits for 14lbs than grind it out in there for 17lbs.

Just to be clear, my opinions and experiences are based on the years 2001 to 2005 when I was the self proclaimed King of the Canals. LMAO

Jon Sessler said:

Mr. Minnow,

I think Sumich should weigh in on this, as your memory is obviously failing.



Panic Minnow said:

I quit fishing in there for 3 reasons:
1) My fish catching ability must be getting worse (it is). I do remember that a 3.9# fish was the average fish in there...period. We would catch 50 fish in there a day, and we would weigh 1/2 of them, and it got to the point where most fish we caught were around the 3.9 lb number. There were a few 2.5# fish (not many), and a few 5# fish (not many), but the average weight for smallmouth were 3.9#.
2)There are way too many boats in there. I do remember when Yusuke and I would be the only boat in there for a few years, never saw another bass boat even close to the mouth of it. The late Mr Larry Gonzy did not even have a clue how good the fishing was in there.
3) The fish are getting much smarter, which is true, or is the same answer as #1, or a combination of both 1 and 2, or the hard fact that the fish are just not in there like they used to be. I really think the pressure has taken the toll on the fish in there, like it or not. If we as bass fishermen did not fish in there, it would by no means hurt the population of the fish. I could care less about the homeowners issues, as it is usually a minority that has the issues with us.

So to answer your question Jon, when the very first few tournaments from ABA were held on Lake Washington in the spring spawn, a majority of the winners were fishing the canals. I would not say they were 20# bags though, as I remember

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