drop shot with braid to flourocarbon?

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Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on August 19, 2010 at 1:29pm

Some of it could be personal preference. However if you believe braid is the most sensitive line (I am one of those) then can you tell me a time where you would want less sensitivity. Can you get too much sensitivity? I don't have any problem feeling bites on any type of line but why not use the line that is the most sensitive assuming everything else is equal. It's kind of like asking why we need sparkly boats to fish from.

BigBass Dez said:

Okay guys , I completely understand the advantage of using Braid to FC in deeper depths for increased sensitivity while dropshoting .. What i dont understand is when anglers use this same set for dropshoting in all depths .

If we spend a butt load of money for the most sensitive dropshot rod on market for example the new Loomis NRX 822 , do we really need to Keep braid on our reel year round to ensure we are not missing fish on a $400+ rod ? Or is this set up mostly catering too the Preference of the anglers fishing style ?

I have heard some guys mention that as age catches up with them their hands become less sensitive , in that scenario i do understand and angler wanting to maximize there touch and feel on the rod handle .

I have heard some guys say that using braid helps them feel the bite better while "dragging" . And even though im totally against this style of angling i can atleast understand yet another style in which maximzing sensitivity would be suitable .

I Have heard some guys say that they use braid because it cuts down on line twist and Like Says mentioned cuts cost on spooling fluoro through out the season ..

So whats the deal here guys ? If none of which stated above applies to me , Im i putting myself at a disadvantage by not using braid ?

Dez "The Rookie"

Permalink Reply by P.J. Koshi on August 19, 2010 at 1:39pm

I have used braid to floro leader several times, and I will say I have been happiest with that combo when I am fishing a football head in deep rock. The sensitivity and the ability to pop free of rocks is much better when the braid is used as a main line. I will use this combo when I am fishing something on my Carolina rig that I want to sink. If I want my lizard to float behind my weight I use mono. When I can get away with it I use a good barrel swivel to join the two types of line since I know that my knots to that will hold. If I cannot use a swivel I use a uni to uni and hope for the best. In regards to drop shotting I try and do it as little as possible and as of late have been using straight floro.

Permalink Reply by Larry Austin on August 19, 2010 at 2:05pm

I should have paid more attention to the thread. Im with Pj in that most of my dropshotting is with flouro.jigs and football heads always braid and flouro

Permalink Reply by BigBass Dez on August 19, 2010 at 3:00pm

Josh ,
I also agree that no other line is more sensitive than Braid and hear ya on the "why not" factor , however with that being said generaly Braid is not marketed as a standard dropshot line by braid manufactors . So if braid is the perfect solution to maximize your dropshot needs why is that not a major marketing promo from these companies ? The companies that manufactor Fluoro dont have a problem making it known that there line is the great for dropshoting ...

The more i think about it , I guess my hang up is not so much with the line factor (braid) . My personal expectation relies on my Rod . Darn it if i purchase a good dropshot specific rod i should not have to be concerned with not feeling all my bites in (0-25ft) for the most part..lol
If im spending a couple of hundred of dollars and still worried about not feeling bites , well something else is wrong and it has nothing too do with line issues imo ..

Permalink Reply by Marc Marcantonio on August 19, 2010 at 3:04pm

Me too. Braid with Fluoro leaders for grubs (joined by J-Knot), used on a Lamiglas Poppin' rod or XMG Rod since the rod must compensate for the lack of line stretch when playing a bass.

All dropshotting done with fluorocarbon; no line twist problems. Keeps it simple and efficient.

ciao,
Marc

Larry Austin said:

I should have paid more attention to the thread. Im with Pj in that most of my dropshotting is with flouro.jigs and football heads always braid and flouro

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on August 19, 2010 at 3:56pm

I don't care how the product is being marketed. I have yet to see a box of toothpicks that lists bullet weight pegging device as one of it's potential uses. That hasn't stopped any of us from using a toothpick to peg a bullet weight. If sensitivity is what you are after then why not use the most sensitive rod and the most sensitive line togethter? You might be over thinking this one Dez.

BigBass Dez said:

Josh ,
I also agree that no other line is more sensitive than Braid and hear ya on the "why not" factor , however with that being said generaly Braid is not marketed as a standard dropshot line by braid manufactors . So if braid is the perfect solution to maximize your dropshot needs why is that not a major marketing promo from these companies ? The companies that manufactor Fluoro dont have a problem making it known that there line is the great for dropshoting ...

The more i think about it , I guess my hang up is not so much with the line factor (braid) . My personal expectation relies on my Rod . Darn it if i purchase a good dropshot specific rod i should not have to be concerned with not feeling all my bites in (0-25ft) for the most part..lol
If im spending a couple of hundred of dollars and still worried about not feeling bites , well something else is wrong and it has nothing too do with line issues imo ..

Permalink Reply by BigBass Dez on August 19, 2010 at 4:29pm

I think your right Josh ..lol ! Im gonna stick with my comfort zone for now, i just like to hear feedback from anglers like yourself and others when i hear read about something that i dont use .. Thanks for the input bro !

Josh Potter said:

I don't care how the product is being marketed. I have yet to see a box of toothpicks that lists bullet weight pegging device as one of it's potential uses. That hasn't stopped any of us from using a toothpick to peg a bullet weight. If sensitivity is what you are after then why not use the most sensitive rod and the most sensitive line togethter? You might be over thinking this one Dez.

BigBass Dez said:

Josh ,
I also agree that no other line is more sensitive than Braid and hear ya on the "why not" factor , however with that being said generaly Braid is not marketed as a standard dropshot line by braid manufactors . So if braid is the perfect solution to maximize your dropshot needs why is that not a major marketing promo from these companies ? The companies that manufactor Fluoro dont have a problem making it known that there line is the great for dropshoting ...

The more i think about it , I guess my hang up is not so much with the line factor (braid) . My personal expectation relies on my Rod . Darn it if i purchase a good dropshot specific rod i should not have to be concerned with not feeling all my bites in (0-25ft) for the most part..lol
If im spending a couple of hundred of dollars and still worried about not feeling bites , well something else is wrong and it has nothing too do with line issues imo ..

Permalink Reply by Tag Watson on August 19, 2010 at 5:28pm

For the few that have mentioned breaking off fish on the hookset using a braid to fluoro union, keep in mind that all that is typically needed is to start reeling and applying steady pressure to drive the hook home. As long as you are tying a half way decent knot, you should never break off fish with this set up. I have seen people use this combination and set the hook like they were using straight copoly or fluoro. Completely unnecessary and defeating the purpose...

Permalink Reply by Aaron Christel on August 19, 2010 at 8:16pm

100% agree. Plus, with a hard hook set, you are MORE likely to miss the fish. A dropshot will often turn in the fishes mouth and the hook will just come out of the fish's mouth. Real and keep the tension, but no hook set. I really don't see any reason to not use a braid to fc setup. I don't care how sensitive your rod is, this setup will make it more sensitive ad your chances of catching fish is better. Also, it's way easier to detect a bite where a fish picks up your bait and swims twards you. I can't tell you how many fish this year I have caught where I felt no bite at all, even with a braid to flourocarbon set up because it was easier to detect slack in the line that shouldn't have been there.

Sparky said:

Braid to floro is the only way I dropshot"10lb braid/6lb floro".And you are correct Tag lift and reel,sometimes the lift is quick"out of lack of paying attention"but most know the solid thump of the inhale or the rod just loading up.I use the double uni knot and have complete confidence in using it.Just my turd sense.

Tag Watson said:

For the few that have mentioned breaking off fish on the hookset using a braid to fluoro union, keep in mind that all that is typically needed is to start reeling and applying steady pressure to drive the hook home. As long as you are tying a half way decent knot, you should never break off fish with this set up. I have seen people use this combination and set the hook like they were using straight copoly or fluoro. Completely unnecessary and defeating the purpose...

Permalink Reply by eric mccarthy on August 19, 2010 at 9:26pm

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Permalink Reply by Ronald Hobbs, Jr. on August 25, 2010 at 2:06pm

The only time I use braid on my drop shot is if I am fishing in the middle of weeds inorder to pop the grass off of my bait, that is the only purpose I will drop shot with it, I think it is too sensitive and to non stretch for everyday drop shot applications. To counter the effects of ripping hooks out of fish due to non stretching qualities I go to a 1/0 split shot hook since it grabs more meat than your normal hook.
The other techniques I like it for is any time I am going to use any line heavier than 8# on spinning tackle. I mostly use power pro 10# and 15#. I also have gone to heavier hooks since inherently you can get away with them since you have a minimal stretch quality. One thing that has made my life a whole lot easier is fishing big topwaters on braid like super spooks, and the small punkers, I still tie in a 15' section of mono.

I still have not gone to the braid on my football heads and I don't think I will, I don't think I am missing anymore fish or missing bites, so if I am not gaining any advantages I am not going to change.

Permalink Reply by Joel Grafe on August 25, 2010 at 2:34pm

i guess i'm in the dark ages here.. i use staight up McCoy co polymer mean green for any and every thing i throw. from jigs deep to top water.. i don't think i have missed any bites deep but again if i can't feel them then i don't know.. LOL
i guess i just keep it simple and easy for myself.. mabye next year i'll play with different combo's for different approaches.

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