columbia point marina to hanford reach

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Permalink Reply by eric mccarthy on August 23, 2010 at 4:18pm

How do u fish it if the water is so fast?

Permalink Reply by Mike Bess on August 23, 2010 at 4:49pm

Use heavy sinkers

eric mccarthy said:

How do u fish it if the water is so fast?

Permalink Reply by Mark Maderos on August 23, 2010 at 5:12pm

That's the beauty of upriver. When you do find the "one" spot that is holding fish, it's a motherlode. I have ran up, not super far about 25miles with no problems in the summer and fall. Good gps, depth finder and a map to know which side of the islands to be on and your good up to the ringold area. After that it is a real art to getting around. And they ain't kidding about the speed of the current. Ripping ass fast does not do it justice. Since you got a tin boat anyways, I say go up river and have fun.

mark

eric mccarthy said:

How do u fish it if the water is so fast?

Permalink Reply by Richard Shaff on August 23, 2010 at 11:10pm

First of all Josh you should try spelling his name correctly, it is Zackery Shaff. Second of all let it go that was in the spring time and water fluctuation is much different that time of year than now. I know with your two trips up the reach following someone that probably supersedes Zack's 10 years of fishing the reach.

Josh Potter said:

I was trying to explain this to Zachary Shaft this spring.

Look at the USGS website and see what it has been doing. Anything over 180,000 cfs and you are probably fine. The lowest I have run it was 84,000 cfs and it wasn't enjoyable. The other issue you have is that it changes so quickly up there. A drop of 100,000 cfs is not uncommon. You may leave the launch and it's fine but half way through the day it might not be so fine. The swiftness of the current is probably the part that will be the biggest surprise. It is hard to describe how fast it is without seeing it. You don't have the option of idling around.

Chris Lambert said:

You really need to watch the water levels up there in the fall. It's really tough to gauge what the level is doing until you start making your way up the reach. Checking the water level at Columbia Point can be misleading since it's so spread out down there. You kind of have to think of that part of the river as an upside down funnel. The reach is narrow and has a lot of canyons and the river down by Columbia Point is a lot wider. The water dropping 2' at Columbia Point can mean the water has dropped 4-5' up the reach.

Permalink Reply by Jeff Grimes on August 23, 2010 at 11:21pm

LOL

Mike Bess said:

Use heavy sinkers

eric mccarthy said:

How do u fish it if the water is so fast?

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on August 24, 2010 at 9:36am

He admitted having never been more than a couple of miles upriver of Richland. I don't give a shit what time of year it is. When a river's flow cuts in half it cuts in half and the affects are much more dramatic up river than they are down. Do you even understand that the readings at different stations are taken for a reason. It is because each section of river is affected differently. The guage height is not an opinion based on experience. It is math and when it goes from 16 to 8 the river just got a hell of a lot smaller. Regardless of what it looks like in Richland or how long you have lived there. Chris explained it well with his upside down funnel analogy. I was trying to do the same last spring but Zachary said I was exagerating. I have only been up there 5 times (which sounds like 5 more than him) but it only took me once to figure this out.

Richard Shaff said:

First of all Josh you should try spelling his name correctly, it is Zackery Shaff. Second of all let it go that was in the spring time and water fluctuation is much different that time of year than now. I know with your two trips up the reach following someone that probably supersedes Zack's 10 years of fishing the reach.

Josh Potter said:

I was trying to explain this to Zachary Shaft this spring.

Look at the USGS website and see what it has been doing. Anything over 180,000 cfs and you are probably fine. The lowest I have run it was 84,000 cfs and it wasn't enjoyable. The other issue you have is that it changes so quickly up there. A drop of 100,000 cfs is not uncommon. You may leave the launch and it's fine but half way through the day it might not be so fine. The swiftness of the current is probably the part that will be the biggest surprise. It is hard to describe how fast it is without seeing it. You don't have the option of idling around.

Chris Lambert said:

You really need to watch the water levels up there in the fall. It's really tough to gauge what the level is doing until you start making your way up the reach. Checking the water level at Columbia Point can be misleading since it's so spread out down there. You kind of have to think of that part of the river as an upside down funnel. The reach is narrow and has a lot of canyons and the river down by Columbia Point is a lot wider. The water dropping 2' at Columbia Point can mean the water has dropped 4-5' up the reach.

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on August 24, 2010 at 11:55am

Jon,

I admit I was hasty in my response and neglected to consider the possibility that this might be the only part of the world where the laws of gravity and mathematics are irrelevant. I appreciate you pointing that out and next time I will consider all relms of possibility before replying.

You are either very intelligent or you stayed at a Holiday INN Express last night.

Jon Sessler said:

Josh you are obviously not taking into account that this is where the first atomic bomb was developed. Perhaps water and gravity react differently in this part of the world, and the "Funnel Effect" does not pertain here.

I'm not saying this as fact, just an observation that may explain the different opinions.

Josh Potter said:

He admitted having never been more than a couple of miles upriver of Richland. I don't give a s*** what time of year it is. When a river's flow cuts in half it cuts in half and the affects are much more dramatic up river than they are down. Do you even understand that the readings at different stations are taken for a reason. It is because each section of river is affected differently. The guage height is not an opinion based on experience. It is math and when it goes from 16 to 8 the river just got a hell of a lot smaller. Regardless of what it looks like in Richland or how long you have lived there. Chris explained it well with his upside down funnel analogy. I was trying to do the same last spring but Zachary said I was exagerating. I have only been up there 5 times (which sounds like 5 more than him) but it only took me once to figure this out.

Richard Shaff said:

First of all Josh you should try spelling his name correctly, it is Zackery Shaff. Second of all let it go that was in the spring time and water fluctuation is much different that time of year than now. I know with your two trips up the reach following someone that probably supersedes Zack's 10 years of fishing the reach.

Josh Potter said:

I was trying to explain this to Zachary Shaft this spring.

Look at the USGS website and see what it has been doing. Anything over 180,000 cfs and you are probably fine. The lowest I have run it was 84,000 cfs and it wasn't enjoyable. The other issue you have is that it changes so quickly up there. A drop of 100,000 cfs is not uncommon. You may leave the launch and it's fine but half way through the day it might not be so fine. The swiftness of the current is probably the part that will be the biggest surprise. It is hard to describe how fast it is without seeing it. You don't have the option of idling around.

Chris Lambert said:

You really need to watch the water levels up there in the fall. It's really tough to gauge what the level is doing until you start making your way up the reach. Checking the water level at Columbia Point can be misleading since it's so spread out down there. You kind of have to think of that part of the river as an upside down funnel. The reach is narrow and has a lot of canyons and the river down by Columbia Point is a lot wider. The water dropping 2' at Columbia Point can mean the water has dropped 4-5' up the reach.

Permalink Reply by David Parnicky on August 24, 2010 at 12:50pm

The Holiday Inn Express commercial reference is killing me! I am going to guess that you wouldn't need a map, gps trail, past experience,or any idea of what the water level is to run the Reach if you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Now I know what I needed to be doing to get better at bass tournaments all this time instead of wasting all my money on lures, books and fishing rods!

Josh Potter said:

Jon,

I admit I was hasty in my response and neglected to consider the possibility that this might be the only part of the world where the laws of gravity and mathematics are irrelevant. I appreciate you pointing that out and next time I will consider all relms of possibility before replying.

You are either very intelligent or you stayed at a Holiday INN Express last night.

Jon Sessler said:

Josh you are obviously not taking into account that this is where the first atomic bomb was developed. Perhaps water and gravity react differently in this part of the world, and the "Funnel Effect" does not pertain here.

I'm not saying this as fact, just an observation that may explain the different opinions.

Josh Potter said:

He admitted having never been more than a couple of miles upriver of Richland. I don't give a s*** what time of year it is. When a river's flow cuts in half it cuts in half and the affects are much more dramatic up river than they are down. Do you even understand that the readings at different stations are taken for a reason. It is because each section of river is affected differently. The guage height is not an opinion based on experience. It is math and when it goes from 16 to 8 the river just got a hell of a lot smaller. Regardless of what it looks like in Richland or how long you have lived there. Chris explained it well with his upside down funnel analogy. I was trying to do the same last spring but Zachary said I was exagerating. I have only been up there 5 times (which sounds like 5 more than him) but it only took me once to figure this out.

Richard Shaff said:

First of all Josh you should try spelling his name correctly, it is Zackery Shaff. Second of all let it go that was in the spring time and water fluctuation is much different that time of year than now. I know with your two trips up the reach following someone that probably supersedes Zack's 10 years of fishing the reach.

Josh Potter said:

I was trying to explain this to Zachary Shaft this spring.

Look at the USGS website and see what it has been doing. Anything over 180,000 cfs and you are probably fine. The lowest I have run it was 84,000 cfs and it wasn't enjoyable. The other issue you have is that it changes so quickly up there. A drop of 100,000 cfs is not uncommon. You may leave the launch and it's fine but half way through the day it might not be so fine. The swiftness of the current is probably the part that will be the biggest surprise. It is hard to describe how fast it is without seeing it. You don't have the option of idling around.

Chris Lambert said:

You really need to watch the water levels up there in the fall. It's really tough to gauge what the level is doing until you start making your way up the reach. Checking the water level at Columbia Point can be misleading since it's so spread out down there. You kind of have to think of that part of the river as an upside down funnel. The reach is narrow and has a lot of canyons and the river down by Columbia Point is a lot wider. The water dropping 2' at Columbia Point can mean the water has dropped 4-5' up the reach.

Permalink Reply by Zackery Shaff on August 24, 2010 at 1:33pm

Josh,

You keep insisting that I have not been up the Reach before and I do not understand that the water level in the reach changes drastically. Both are untrue. If you would like a refresher, learn to read and write, then re-read the thread you are referring to. I didn't say the water level cannot drop 4 ft in a day, I said that it didn't that particular day and that you were mistaken in your judgement of 4 ft. Now you can continue assuming I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I will continue to assume you are an ass; just don't talk about you're vast knowledge and experience on the reach unless you expect to get called out when it is bullshit. Even then, you should really unwad your panties.

Richard Shaff said:

First of all Josh you should try spelling his name correctly, it is Zackery Shaff. Second of all let it go that was in the spring time and water fluctuation is much different that time of year than now. I know with your two trips up the reach following someone that probably supersedes Zack's 10 years of fishing the reach.

Josh Potter said:

I was trying to explain this to Zachary Shaft this spring.

Look at the USGS website and see what it has been doing. Anything over 180,000 cfs and you are probably fine. The lowest I have run it was 84,000 cfs and it wasn't enjoyable. The other issue you have is that it changes so quickly up there. A drop of 100,000 cfs is not uncommon. You may leave the launch and it's fine but half way through the day it might not be so fine. The swiftness of the current is probably the part that will be the biggest surprise. It is hard to describe how fast it is without seeing it. You don't have the option of idling around.

Chris Lambert said:

You really need to watch the water levels up there in the fall. It's really tough to gauge what the level is doing until you start making your way up the reach. Checking the water level at Columbia Point can be misleading since it's so spread out down there. You kind of have to think of that part of the river as an upside down funnel. The reach is narrow and has a lot of canyons and the river down by Columbia Point is a lot wider. The water dropping 2' at Columbia Point can mean the water has dropped 4-5' up the reach.

Permalink Reply by Mike Bess on August 24, 2010 at 1:37pm

Definately not the latter........

Josh Potter said:

Jon,

I admit I was hasty in my response and neglected to consider the possibility that this might be the only part of the world where the laws of gravity and mathematics are irrelevant. I appreciate you pointing that out and next time I will consider all relms of possibility before replying.

You are either very intelligent or you stayed at a Holiday INN Express last night.

Jon Sessler said:

Josh you are obviously not taking into account that this is where the first atomic bomb was developed. Perhaps water and gravity react differently in this part of the world, and the "Funnel Effect" does not pertain here.

I'm not saying this as fact, just an observation that may explain the different opinions.

Josh Potter said:

He admitted having never been more than a couple of miles upriver of Richland. I don't give a s*** what time of year it is. When a river's flow cuts in half it cuts in half and the affects are much more dramatic up river than they are down. Do you even understand that the readings at different stations are taken for a reason. It is because each section of river is affected differently. The guage height is not an opinion based on experience. It is math and when it goes from 16 to 8 the river just got a hell of a lot smaller. Regardless of what it looks like in Richland or how long you have lived there. Chris explained it well with his upside down funnel analogy. I was trying to do the same last spring but Zachary said I was exagerating. I have only been up there 5 times (which sounds like 5 more than him) but it only took me once to figure this out.

Richard Shaff said:

First of all Josh you should try spelling his name correctly, it is Zackery Shaff. Second of all let it go that was in the spring time and water fluctuation is much different that time of year than now. I know with your two trips up the reach following someone that probably supersedes Zack's 10 years of fishing the reach.

Josh Potter said:

I was trying to explain this to Zachary Shaft this spring.

Look at the USGS website and see what it has been doing. Anything over 180,000 cfs and you are probably fine. The lowest I have run it was 84,000 cfs and it wasn't enjoyable. The other issue you have is that it changes so quickly up there. A drop of 100,000 cfs is not uncommon. You may leave the launch and it's fine but half way through the day it might not be so fine. The swiftness of the current is probably the part that will be the biggest surprise. It is hard to describe how fast it is without seeing it. You don't have the option of idling around.

Chris Lambert said:

You really need to watch the water levels up there in the fall. It's really tough to gauge what the level is doing until you start making your way up the reach. Checking the water level at Columbia Point can be misleading since it's so spread out down there. You kind of have to think of that part of the river as an upside down funnel. The reach is narrow and has a lot of canyons and the river down by Columbia Point is a lot wider. The water dropping 2' at Columbia Point can mean the water has dropped 4-5' up the reach.

Permalink Reply by Josh Potter on August 24, 2010 at 2:37pm

Have you been past Ringold?

This is the last of my time I am going to waste on this. I clearly stated the number of days I have spent up the Reach (5). I don't think that makes me an expert. However I have been adding and subtracting for over 30 years. I believe that makes me highly qualified to state that when a graph reads 100,000 cfs at noon and then 50,000 cfs at 6:00 pm that the water level has cut in half over the span of 6 hours.
I am certain somone here can verify my math. I never made any outlandish claims and you were the one that came out with your panities in a bunch and still have not figured out how to unwedge them. I don't know if I will be able to sleep tonight knowing that we aren't bff's anymore....unless you want to rescind your ass comment.

Zackery Shaff said:

Josh,

You keep insisting that I have not been up the Reach before and I do not understand that the water level in the reach changes drastically. Both are untrue. If you would like a refresher, learn to read and write, then re-read the thread you are referring to. I didn't say the water level cannot drop 4 ft in a day, I said that it didn't that particular day and that you were mistaken in your judgement of 4 ft. Now you can continue assuming I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I will continue to assume you are an ass; just don't talk about you're vast knowledge and experience on the reach unless you expect to get called out when it is b*******. Even then, you should really unwad your panties.

Richard Shaff said:

First of all Josh you should try spelling his name correctly, it is Zackery Shaff. Second of all let it go that was in the spring time and water fluctuation is much different that time of year than now. I know with your two trips up the reach following someone that probably supersedes Zack's 10 years of fishing the reach.

Josh Potter said:

I was trying to explain this to Zachary Shaft this spring.

Look at the USGS website and see what it has been doing. Anything over 180,000 cfs and you are probably fine. The lowest I have run it was 84,000 cfs and it wasn't enjoyable. The other issue you have is that it changes so quickly up there. A drop of 100,000 cfs is not uncommon. You may leave the launch and it's fine but half way through the day it might not be so fine. The swiftness of the current is probably the part that will be the biggest surprise. It is hard to describe how fast it is without seeing it. You don't have the option of idling around.

Chris Lambert said:

You really need to watch the water levels up there in the fall. It's really tough to gauge what the level is doing until you start making your way up the reach. Checking the water level at Columbia Point can be misleading since it's so spread out down there. You kind of have to think of that part of the river as an upside down funnel. The reach is narrow and has a lot of canyons and the river down by Columbia Point is a lot wider. The water dropping 2' at Columbia Point can mean the water has dropped 4-5' up the reach.

Permalink Reply by Mike Bess on August 24, 2010 at 3:27pm

Take it back Zachery

Zackery Shaff said:

Josh,

You keep insisting that I have not been up the Reach before and I do not understand that the water level in the reach changes drastically. Both are untrue. If you would like a refresher, learn to read and write, then re-read the thread you are referring to. I didn't say the water level cannot drop 4 ft in a day, I said that it didn't that particular day and that you were mistaken in your judgement of 4 ft. Now you can continue assuming I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I will continue to assume you are an ass; just don't talk about you're vast knowledge and experience on the reach unless you expect to get called out when it is b*******. Even then, you should really unwad your panties.

Richard Shaff said:

First of all Josh you should try spelling his name correctly, it is Zackery Shaff. Second of all let it go that was in the spring time and water fluctuation is much different that time of year than now. I know with your two trips up the reach following someone that probably supersedes Zack's 10 years of fishing the reach.

Josh Potter said:

I was trying to explain this to Zachary Shaft this spring.

Look at the USGS website and see what it has been doing. Anything over 180,000 cfs and you are probably fine. The lowest I have run it was 84,000 cfs and it wasn't enjoyable. The other issue you have is that it changes so quickly up there. A drop of 100,000 cfs is not uncommon. You may leave the launch and it's fine but half way through the day it might not be so fine. The swiftness of the current is probably the part that will be the biggest surprise. It is hard to describe how fast it is without seeing it. You don't have the option of idling around.

Chris Lambert said:

You really need to watch the water levels up there in the fall. It's really tough to gauge what the level is doing until you start making your way up the reach. Checking the water level at Columbia Point can be misleading since it's so spread out down there. You kind of have to think of that part of the river as an upside down funnel. The reach is narrow and has a lot of canyons and the river down by Columbia Point is a lot wider. The water dropping 2' at Columbia Point can mean the water has dropped 4-5' up the reach.

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