No Fishing Sign in Newport Shores

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Permalink Reply by Zackery Shaff on April 20, 2010 at 8:55pm

Have to agree with Josh on this. Now there is no need to be exessively rude, but if someone tells me I can't fish their dock, I infom them of the Federal Laws and continue, but if they have something more to say, I go the immature and annoying route...completely ignoring them. It is good to keep the phone number of WDFW and the local Sherriff on hand if your planning to fish in a particularly beligerent area.

Josh Potter said:

You know what I think is sad? You suggesting we all pussy foot around our lakes so we don't get banned instead of respectfully acting out our rights to fish our lakes. I won't even address the condescending tone of your post.

How many tournaments did you win on all of those 50-100 fish, nothing but 4 pounders days?

I understand how people could be annoyed by waking up to a fisherman in their back yard but you bought a house that is 15 feet from a lake. Are you serious? A person chooses to live in a city with a population of 6 trillion, buy's a house on the waters edge and then complains about people being too close. I loved my house on the course but I sold it because the realtor never told me people would be playing golf on the course.

I honestly don't know what is more ridiculous....unreasonable lake front home owners or Russ 's suggestion as the solution.
















Russ Baker said:

I think its sad that it came down to this but new it would eventually happen since so many tournament circuits have allowed participants to fish in there. Years ago before the T-circuits allowed fishing in there you could have 50-100 fish days in there with nothing under 4 lbs. I personally have been fishing in there since the early 90's before tournament guys new about it and had several home owners express their distaste for guys fishing in there, but have also had home owners come out and ask me what I was using so they could catch fish in their little paradise.

Not sure the legality of making it off limits as it is part of the lake, but when you have a large group that is against fishing in a particular part of the lake we need to take note and make sure we dont get totally banned from other areas or the lakes entirety which I hope would never happen.

Permalink Reply by 2000subaru on April 20, 2010 at 9:13pm

Here is the text of the RCW Nick referenced:

RCW 77.15.210
Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife — Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of obstructing the taking of fish[, shellfish,] or wildlife if the person:

(a) Harasses, drives, or disturbs fish, shellfish, or wildlife with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof; or

(b) Harasses, intimidates, or interferes with an individual engaged in the lawful taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife or lawful predator control with the intent of disrupting lawful pursuit or taking thereof.

(2) Obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife is a gross misdemeanor.

(3) It is an affirmative defense to a prosecution for obstructing the taking of fish, shellfish, or wildlife that the person charged was:

(a) Interfering with a person engaged in hunting outside the legally established hunting season; or

(b) Preventing or attempting to prevent unauthorized trespass on private property.

(4) The person raising a defense under subsection (3) of this section has the burden of proof by a preponderance of the evidence.

Permalink Reply by Marc Marcantonio on April 20, 2010 at 9:24pm

+1. I also have the RCW on my Blackberry so I can read it to the homeowner and to the police when necessary.

As far as worrying about someone having a gun...I didn't spend 23 years in the Army to worry about someone pulling a gun on me now. Besides, if they do I will have to protect myself. I sure hope it never comes to that just because I am exercising my right to fish.

Anyone that pulls a gun on someone better plan on using it because whomever they pull it on may have their own pistol to defend themselves with.

ciao,
Marc

Jon Sessler said:

I'm in the Potter camp. No pussy footing!!
Be respectful, try to diffuse the situation, if that doesn't work, offer to call the Police FOR the homeowner.

Permalink Reply by Chris Blandi on April 20, 2010 at 9:25pm

Thats what I've had to do on more than one occasion. Good advice.

Jon Sessler said:

I'm in the Potter camp. No pussy footing!!
Be respectful, try to diffuse the situation, if that doesn't work, offer to call the Police FOR the homeowner.

Permalink Reply by Jason Brown on April 20, 2010 at 9:55pm

I carry the RCWs in my boat for this very example. Just read it to em. Like the previous thread said, it's illegal for her to inhibit your fishing of public waters.

Permalink Reply by Ronald Hobbs, Jr. on April 20, 2010 at 10:33pm

Yeah this is not the only lake it happens on, I have been yelled at all over the state some of the great homeowners that come to mind lived on Ohop Lake, Clear Lake (pierce county) Lake washington and last year a guy protested Wolsky and I at the Moses Lake Open stating we got too close to his boat, he was even video taping us. He also claimed we hit his boat which never happened. I think I replied to this that "why would I hit your boat with mine? My boat is way prettier than yours!" This really made him mad! I just printed out the RCW to put in my boat. Thanks for that.

This brings up the point which signs are lawful and which ones are not? Just about anyone can buy a sign or a bouy that says things such as no boats or no fishing. So which ones do we adhere to and which ones do we not? I understand that the game laws state where no fishing is allowed, but is there other areas of the lakes we are not to go into? How do we find out if it is illegal to fish or boat somewhere on a lake if it is not in the game regulations?

Permalink Reply by Aaron Christel on April 20, 2010 at 10:48pm

Haha, me and Daniel where fishing Clear Lake a few years ago and had some guy come out onto his deck and yell "Why don't you try fishing a little deeper you dumb sons a bi&*^es!" I just yelled back, "o.k., Thanks!" We went around the other side of his dock and moved right back in.

As long as you are within state laws and regs, you are fine. Let them call the cops and embarrass them selves.

Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:

Yeah this is not the only lake it happens on, I have been yelled at all over the state some of the great homeowners that come to mind lived on Ohop Lake, Clear Lake (pierce county) Lake washington and last year a guy protested Wolsky and I at the Moses Lake Open stating we got too close to his boat, he was even video taping us. He also claimed we hit his boat which never happened. I think I replied to this that "why would I hit your boat with mine? My boat is way prettier than yours!" This really made him mad! I just printed out the RCW to put in my boat. Thanks for that.

This brings up the point which signs are lawful and which ones are not? Just about anyone can buy a sign or a bouy that says things such as no boats or no fishing. So which ones do we adhere to and which ones do we not? I understand that the game laws state where no fishing is allowed, but is there other areas of the lakes we are not to go into? How do we find out if it is illegal to fish or boat somewhere on a lake if it is not in the game regulations?

Permalink Reply by Douglas Booth on April 20, 2010 at 10:48pm

That's the beauty of this site. A lot of good conversion and education information. Sharing past experiences and helping other anglers. Coming together to help pursue a common goal. Oh and of course a couple of dumb a$$es taking "pop shots" at other members. Keep up the good work guys!

Permalink Reply by Mike Bess on April 20, 2010 at 11:22pm

I've told this story to a few over the years. A homeowner threatened me several times while I was trying to catch a good Lm on Lk Wa. I was very cordial to him. After 5 min of him MFing me, I finally agreed that he should call the police. I told him after he made that call to please call Domino's and order me a medium pepperoni pizza because I was f-ing hungry. He didn't know what hit him and left.

Permalink Reply by Nick Berto on April 21, 2010 at 8:16am

Ron~ That homeowner came out a couple weeks ago and told Chad and I the whole story and how he called the WDFW and has it all on video and we thought the same thing as you said, why would we want to hit our boat? The guy was pretty pissed still and wants to get that area "off limits"... We told him good luck.

Ronald Hobbs, Jr. said:

Yeah this is not the only lake it happens on, I have been yelled at all over the state some of the great homeowners that come to mind lived on Ohop Lake, Clear Lake (pierce county) Lake washington and last year a guy protested Wolsky and I at the Moses Lake Open stating we got too close to his boat, he was even video taping us. He also claimed we hit his boat which never happened. I think I replied to this that "why would I hit your boat with mine? My boat is way prettier than yours!" This really made him mad! I just printed out the RCW to put in my boat. Thanks for that.

This brings up the point which signs are lawful and which ones are not? Just about anyone can buy a sign or a bouy that says things such as no boats or no fishing. So which ones do we adhere to and which ones do we not? I understand that the game laws state where no fishing is allowed, but is there other areas of the lakes we are not to go into? How do we find out if it is illegal to fish or boat somewhere on a lake if it is not in the game regulations?

Permalink Reply by Russ Baker on April 21, 2010 at 8:49am

Potter,

I never said we should just pussy foot around this issue if you read the post-Just making the comment that we should all participate in taking note on the power of some home owners in a given area and doing whats right to protect our fishing rights. I have dealt with this issue on other waters in other states and have seen these issues on water access go to court and the outcome was unfavorable to the fisherman.

We all must continue to fight for our water rights. I take this very seriously and to be quoted as not caring is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.



Josh Potter said:

You know what I think is sad? You suggesting we all pussy foot around our lakes so we don't get banned instead of respectfully acting out our rights to fish our lakes. I won't even address the condescending tone of your post.

How many tournaments did you win on all of those 50-100 fish, nothing but 4 pounders days?

I understand how people could be annoyed by waking up to a fisherman in their back yard but you bought a house that is 15 feet from a lake. Are you serious? A person chooses to live in a city with a population of 6 trillion, buy's a house on the waters edge and then complains about people being too close. I loved my house on the course but I sold it because the realtor never told me people would be playing golf on the course.

I honestly don't know what is more ridiculous....unreasonable lake front home owners or Russ 's suggestion as the solution.
















Russ Baker said:

I think its sad that it came down to this but new it would eventually happen since so many tournament circuits have allowed participants to fish in there. Years ago before the T-circuits allowed fishing in there you could have 50-100 fish days in there with nothing under 4 lbs. I personally have been fishing in there since the early 90's before tournament guys new about it and had several home owners express their distaste for guys fishing in there, but have also had home owners come out and ask me what I was using so they could catch fish in their little paradise.

Not sure the legality of making it off limits as it is part of the lake, but when you have a large group that is against fishing in a particular part of the lake we need to take note and make sure we dont get totally banned from other areas or the lakes entirety which I hope would never happen.

Permalink Reply by Rick Innocenti on April 21, 2010 at 8:50am

Allot of great input. Thanks for the RCW I will print and laminate for use.

Like Russ I have also been fishing in there since the early 90's only I had no will power and used it in tounreys. I bring this up because I grew up 10 minutes from Newport this has been going on for 15-20 yrs. They have tried this many times. They have at least 2x I can recall actually had a buoy that said no fishing at the entrance. I am pretty familiar with the do's & don'ts on the water as everyone should be, and in most cases will choose to take the path of least resistance. However there a a few maybe even the majority in Newport that want their privacy realize it may not be because we're fishing it may be just because we exist and we are there in what they feel is there private oasis. That being said be respectful, but when the time comes stand your ground if it is the right thing to do for the cause.
I was in there with my dad a few yrs ago and a homeowner came out to let me know he was upset with me fishing in front of his house and then threw in he felt I was stalking his wife. I was calm for about 30 seconds till he kept going, then to the best of my ability let him know there are round padded rooms for people like you & your wife who is 70. At that moment my dad was trying to calm me down as he had effectively pushed my buttons past the point.
After words being exchanged he noticed I was not leaving, at that point I grabbed every rod I had in the boat and proceeded to fish nothing but in front of his house. Now dad was getting upset with me to leave (he was a little embarrassed) but I was out to make a point. He threatened to call the police and I encouraged him to do so. He did, I did, we waited. An hour later Bellevue police showed up in force 4 police officers. In which case they spoke to the homeowner and then asked me politely if????? I would fish somewhere else, I reminded the officers that I have the right to fish any where in here and at this moment I am choosing to fish here. The officer grinned and then tried to explain this to the homeowner, I could not tell exactly what was said but the homeowner got mad and was yelling at the officer, then stormed inside. Then again the officer much nicer this time asked if it would be OK if I would fish somewhere else to help defuse the situation. The whole time by the way I had a good friend of mine who happened to be the district attorney on the phone who happens to be a die hard hunter and fisherman feeding me what to say and not to say. I moved along after the officer agreed and we discussed fishing in there, the officer mentioned they get many calls from homeowners in there every year, and they hate to respond as they feel it is not their jurisdiction and should be handled by king county on the water. Only if it has potential of violence do they take it more serious.

This is an old problem! not a new one! it's been going on for years, and will be going on for years. Fight the battles you can win, and choose your battles wisely!

I made my point with that homeowner who by the way still lives there, and have never had a problem since.

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